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American made? Goldwing VS Harley

just felt like starting some talk.

to me both bikes are made in the USA by amercian workers.

both bikes are made with forien parts to some degreee.


so does the claim BUY AMERCIAN slander towards a goldwing stand true?

i dont think so, whats your thoughts?
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When I had my valkyrie and someone gave me shit about it I just pointed to the big "Made in the USA" stamp on the side of the motor and they usually shut up.

The jap touring bikes are all built here by American workers which employs even more American workers via vendors to those plants, suppliers, support people such HVAC, repair technicians, electricians, engineers toll and die guys, machinists and so on and so on. like it or not Honda is a huge part of this countries economy. And thats not even including all the dealer network and all its people and the people that support it. But because the companies headquarters is over seas it will never be a truly be considered an American made bike.

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For the Goldwing, Engineered in Japan, Assembled in America. Highly refined peice of machinary.

For the Harley, Engineered in America, misc. parts bought all over the world, assembled in America. Old fashioned tractor technology, still cool, but very outdated technology. The motor that is.

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"buy american" these days pretty much refers to the location of the company itself since almost nothing is made entirely in america anymore.

personally when people say it I think they're idiots.

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good peice of economics, but i asked if harley was anymore american then a goldwing.

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What if all the parts are "Made" overseas and it is assembled in America. Is that made in America?

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"buy american" these days pretty much refers to the location of the company itself since almost nothing is made entirely in america anymore.
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here are my thoughts, as I have had this discussion with people only car related and not motorcycle

example, the chevrolet camaro was made in mexico, but the camry is made in america. How can a camaro driver say his car was made in america, but the camry is jap crap?

here are my thoughts. first off, most people will use that arguement to bolster the confidence in there purchase choice, for example. If you bought a harley, and need to justify it, one justification is american made. Secondly, with the exception of the brand loyalist's, I truely believe that fewer and fewer people actually choose a particular brand based on where its made anymore. People want an image / style / performance characteristic / want to fit into a specific group of people, etc. They make there purchase for any combination of those and 100's of other reasons.

Now for those that do want to help the american economy, I believe there are two different ways to help the american economy. The democratic way, by making your purchase based on where the labor was made, or the republican theory of giving your money to the country for which that company calls home. If you purchase a vehicle that is made in america, you are helping the american people, by doing your part to ensure that who ever built your bike contines to have work. If you purchase a bike made in america that has it's dollars go home to another country, then please remember that you are helping the stock holders, some of which are american. In the end i truely think it's foolish to purchase based on where it's made or where it's designed. if its a quality product that fits your needs buy it, enjoy it, and stop trying to justify it...

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In today's global economy, there is no true "American Made" anymore. 99% of goods are made either with Foreign labor, or foreign parts. With competition among comparables fierce, American labor and manufacturing over the last decade and a half adopted more European and Japanese standards of manufacturing. With the higher quality controls that have made those firms top in their fields. Buying foreign goods still has a positive effect on our economy, from tariffs to labor. Think how many japanese cars are manufactured using American labor? When Nissan built its first plant in Alabama, their sales in this country shot over 30%, the same true with BMW in South Carolina. Harley has had a extremely tough time selling in foreign countries, because American Made has meant lower quality for decades. With Harley changing its tune it has increased sales and its stock has never been more solid, to say nothing for the old joke about following your oil droppings home joke. Basically the "Buy American or else" mentality is obsolete and ignorant. My 2 cents.

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'American' slant can also be put on materials that are made overseas.. like SaiPan, where perpetual indentured servitude and slavery type practices help produce the stuff that says Made in USA.

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so since honda main office is in japan

my bike is not american?


and a harley with its main office in "????? wisc" is american?



to me when some dumb ass shouts BUY AMERCIAN while yelling to a jap bike, i am thinking he is trying to mean support americans and keep the money in the usa to support american made jobs. "to me anyway"

so personally i think when i bought my goldwing with honda corp, i just helped out more american jobs then harley corp.
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"Made in America" "Buy American" is just marketing/sales. it is a made up "feature" that has exagerated benefits and superficial advantages.

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good peice of economics, but i asked if harley was anymore american then a goldwing.

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Yes, mainly because a huge portion of the American people consider the Harley Davidson brand a symbol of America. Its the a wildly successful American company that has been around for over 100 years, and people from all around the world see it rank it up there with Mom, apple pie and baseball as American symbols.

yes a lot of it is marketing genius, but they have a loyal following that has become a lifestyle. think about that dealer we stopped at up north, like vcook was saying, how often do you see a group of people just come up to a Honda dealer to cook out on the grill on a rainy morning when there is no special event going on. It's a way of life for people and I feel that's what makes it so uniquely American.

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yes a lot of it is marketing genius, but they have a loyal following that has become a lifestyle. think about that dealer we stopped at up north, like vcook was saying, how often do you see a group of people just come up to a Honda dealer to cook out on the grill on a rainy morning when there is no special event going on. It's a way of life for people and I feel that's what makes it so uniquely American.
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Did some biker guy yell at you while you were riding your wing ken?

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I think it was a retarded kid thinking Ken was his ride to school

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As long as it is sold in America it is added to GDP and that is good. The buggest complaint is if it Union made or not. There was a big todo when our former Union President bought a Saab. Even though they are owned by GM and made in America I think it is non-union. That is the difference for some people.

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Did some biker guy yell at you while you were riding your wing ken?

no, i am just wanted to bring up a new topic.


but this time its goldwing vs harley in the buy american sense with all the forien crap in both of them.
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I think it was a retarded kid thinking Ken was his ride to school

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You know whats cool?!?!

I was in Japan ealier this year, and I bought Rachel a Harley Davidson of Japan T-shirt.

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Tough topic and one that I think can go either way - The sad factor of this is that no matter what point or counterpoint this may raise, the fact is that HD carries the stigma of the old Stars and Stripes and Honda is just another Jap company - While the layers once peeled may show otherwise, we live in a very harsh and quick to judge world so I woud think that the average John Q Public would tend to think the same

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As long as it is sold in America it is added to GDP and that is good. The buggest complaint is if it Union made or not. There was a big todo when our former Union President bought a Saab. Even though they are owned by GM and made in America I think it is non-union. That is the difference for some people.

Just an explanation not anti or pro union in any way.
Yup, the union issue is a big part of it. I know my tundra for example is made in america down in southern Indiana. but its a non union shop. I would never dream of parking it in the lot of a union hall if I had to go there. it woulds get burned regaurdless of where it was made.

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"Made in America" "Buy American" is just marketing/sales. it is a made up "feature" that has exagerated benefits and superficial advantages.

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Sam Walton was the one who started that shit in the early-mid 80's.


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example, the chevrolet camaro was made in mexico, but the camry is made in america. How can a camaro driver say his car was made in america, but the camry is jap crap?

Actually the camaro was only made in Canada since 82. GM wasnt allowed to build it anywhere but a canadian assembly plant until the contract with the CAW expires in 2007. Cant even use the name Camaro until after 2007.
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