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Old 03-30-2004, 06:03 PM   #1
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Voting for Rod was the BIGGEST mistake I ever made...

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/0330...ltweapons.html


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Old 03-30-2004, 06:15 PM   #2
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Now, I am not a big gun person. I don't own one and don't plan on buying one, but I have a question: Are the types of weapons that Rod is trying to ban used in a lot of the gun related crimes that occur?

It seems to me that the government is always trying to reduce the rights of the legal gun owners. The ones that get the permits and take the classes and do things by the book. How will this help reduce crime?
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Old 03-30-2004, 06:31 PM   #3
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The simple answer to your question no.
The majority of the crimes commited in the city of chicago are done with handguns.

The gov. is trying to ban ASSAULT RIFLES.
Now the term assault rifle doesnt represent 1 particular firearm but instead represents a combination of diffrent carectoristics ANY rifle can have.

There are 5 key carectoristics that federal law say are "non-sporting" and ANY rifle with a combination of these is then deemed an ASSAULT WEAPON.

An easy way to try to explain it is...
As long as the gun isnt black and scary looking it must not be an assault weapon.
But the point is a gun is a gun. If you COSMETIC features to it , that doesnt make one more or less dangerous.

Hope that answers some of your question.
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Now, I am not a big gun person. I don't own one and don't plan on buying one, but I have a question: Are the types of weapons that Rod is trying to ban used in a lot of the gun related crimes that occur?

It seems to me that the government is always trying to reduce the rights of the legal gun owners. The ones that get the permits and take the classes and do things by the book. How will this help reduce crime?
The guns he wants to ban are used in less than 1% of all armed crimes. Not only that, but one, the AR-15 is one of the most popular models used in competitive shooting.

Also, as it stands right now, if you are 18-20 you need your parent's permission to obtain a FOID card, which entitles you to purchase a long gun. Handguns are illegal within the city of Chicago, yet we have the highest murder rate in the country. This state truly blows...
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Are the types of weapons that Rod is trying to ban used in a lot of the gun related crimes that occur?

It seems to me that the government is always trying to reduce the rights of the legal gun owners. The ones that get the permits and take the classes and do things by the book. How will this help reduce crime?


Sounds like your on the right track. What Rod is doing is not going to reduce crime one bit. The weapons that he and Daley affectionatly call assult weapons are nothing more than semi automatic versions of military weapons. They are not more powerful or nor do they fire any faster than the typical hunting rifle, they just look more menacing. So thats basicly why those to dingle twitches want to ban them. Plus they think that banning them will get them off the streets. That logic is waaaaaaay off for one main reason. Gang bangers do not buy thier guns legally. They get them off the street from illegal sources, so banning law abiding citizens from buying them is not stopping criminals from getting the guns.

We are one of the few states left thaqt doesnt have some sort of conceeled carry law. In every state where la abiding citizens have been givin the right to protect themselves crime has dropped. Thats been reported all over the place and its no secret. Now on the other hand I can think of one shinig example of what happens when the government bans guns....


...... Nazi Germany.



Mr. Governor I would like to formally say that you will not have my vote under any circumstances now that you have taken this course of action. THIS is bad for the people of IL.
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Thanks Ponch and Volk. I'm pretty familiar with Assualt Rifles (8 years in the Army). You confirmed my suspicions that the vast majority of crimes aren't commited with legally owned and licensed "assualt rifles". They're commited with illegal handguns. And no amount of legislation will get rid of illegal guns.
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Handguns are illegal within the city of Chicago, yet we have the highest murder rate in the country. This state truly blows...
Agree. Stats for Chicago are horrible. Not only is Chicago the renewed murder capital of the US you are not allowed to arm yourself for protection in the murder capital of the US..
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Thanks Ponch and Volk. I'm pretty familiar with Assualt Rifles (8 years in the Army). You confirmed my suspicions that the vast majority of crimes aren't commited with legally owned and licensed "assualt rifles". They're commited with illegal handguns. And no amount of legislation will get rid of illegal guns.
Exactly. When AWs are banned, it gets the ball rolling on a total ban, like the UK or Australia. They ban AWs, and then realize many hunting rifles are more powerful, so they ban them. Then comes smaller rifles, and handguns, and the next thing you know, we have a situation like Australia, where armed robberies still occur, as well as the return of sword violence. No joke...


here is another "great read" about the gun owner's friend, Diane Fienstien.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/0496d.asp

"Senator Feinstein declared that assault weapons should be banned because they can fire many rounds "within seconds and without warning."

What the hell does that mean?

And to close, a news article from our friends across the pond, from the UK:

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=2687311


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the next thing you know, we have a situation like Australia, where armed robberies still occur, as well as the return of sword violence. No joke...
At least sword fighting is more of a fair fight IMO.
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At least sword fighting is more of a fair fight IMO.
how is a criminal attacking an unarmed store owner with a store fair?
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I personally would be much less afraid of a person standing behind the counter with a sword than a handgun. The handgun is a more dangerous and superior weapon, ummmm... that's why it replace the sword in combat and self defense.

Becasue a sword is more difficult to conceal, allows the opportunity to defend yourself if properly trained, and if you're quick, you can simply outrun them. Most improtant, a sword has a very short range and is only effective is open spaces, a narrow alley, or cramped store makes movement difficult. A sword also requires skill, agility and training to use. Any idiot can point a gun from 10 feet away, pull the trigger and hit a 16" square target (chest).

I'm not a sword fighting expert by any means, but i like my chances when confronted with one vs. the other.

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Wow, and I didn't even vote for him. I wouldn't call myself for or against guns for the same reason you guys already mentioned.
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Are you people talking about swords insane? what is fair about self defense against criminals? Listen, if I'm going to go rob a convenience store or some grandmother or break into someone's house, I'm not really going to ponder whether handguns are illegal! I'm just going to go to my local junkie and see if he can get me a quick piece that's probably dirty from another crime already... and then I'm going to UNFAIRLY go to someone and threaten their lives in exchange for some money.
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Cherry...whatcha smokin?

I think you are missing the point....if guns are banned, the criminals will still have them. Store owners and law abiding citizens will not. Those that do not have them may be bring a sword to a gunfight and obviously lose most of the time.
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Prepare for a battle over so-called assault weapons! Governor Rod Blagojevich (D) has stated this week that he will veto legislation passed out of the House that seeks to lower to 18 the age at which a person can sign for his own Firearm Owner`s Identification (FOID) Card unless the legislature also sends him a bill to ban certain semi-automatic firearms. Governor Blagojevich made his threat after The Chicago Tribune challenged him to take just such a position. The March 30 morning edition of the Tribune ran an editorial stating "Blagojevich`s office says he is willing to sign" the FOID Card bill, but then instructed, "If the governor wants to sign a bill ... he ought to demand something in return." In fact, the Tribune even gave Blagojevich specific instructions to follow the lead of Chicago Mayor Richard Daley and support banning so-called assault weapons as part of what he should get in return for signing the FOID Card bill. Although Blagojevich`s office had initially indicated the governor simply would sign a FOID Card bill, the governor reacted quickly to the prodding of the Tribune, as well as demands made by Daley. Governor Blagojevich held a press conference mere hours after the Tribune editorial hit the streets, announcing he would only sign a FOID Card bill if the legislature would help him to ban guns.

Please be sure to call your state lawmakers and urge them to oppose this flip-flop on the part of Governor Blagojevich, and oppose any legislation that seeks to ban firearms. Also be sure to contact Governor Blagojevich and politely urge him to reject the pressure from the Tribune and Chicago Mayor Daley, and simply support the FOID Card bill as he originally stated he would. In addition, be sure to encourage your State Senator to support HB 3989, and your State Representative to support SB 2163, the FOID Card bills that passed out of the House and Senate, respectively, last week. The House also passed HB 4075 last week, which seeks to provide an affirmative defense for a gun owner if he uses a firearm prohibited by local ordinance in defense of himself or others. Finally, the Senate passed last week both SB 2165, which mirrors HB 4075, and SB 2386, which seeks to prohibit civil suits against a gun owner who uses a firearm to defend himself or others.

Please take the time to contact your state lawmakers and urge them to support all of these reforms, and ask them to oppose any efforts to ban firearms. The Senate can be reached by calling (217) 782-4517, the House can be reached at 217-782-8223 and the Governor at (217)-782-6830.



I just called them and registered my complaint with Rod's flip flop and holding gun owners rights hostage. I urge you all to do the same.
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Why in the hell did you vote for a democrat

you goofy or what

that is the million dollar question.

Actually the only way Rod got into ofice is becasue the republicans were actually dumb enough to run another canidate named Ryan. right in the middle of a corruption scandal with a current governor named ryan. So basicly people voted for rod because they hated George Ryan and his name, same reason liberals now will be voting for John Kerry, becasue they hate Bush.
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You confirmed my suspicions that the vast majority of crimes aren't commited with legally owned and licensed "assualt rifles". They're commited with illegal handguns. And no amount of legislation will get rid of illegal guns.
Right, the only thing that will rid this nation of guns is to shut down the country for a year and have the military do a house-by-house sweep.

The best way to attack the problem is to do what Giuliani did in New York City: whenever a gun is used in a crime, trace the chain of ownership and detect if there are illegal dealers somewhere in the chain. Those illegal dealers are probably the ones who are supplying the street gangs by co-operating with straw purchases, etc.

We wouldn't need a lot of new laws if the ones we have on the books now would only be enforced vigorously.
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Now on the other hand I can think of one shinig example of what happens when the government bans guns....


...... Nazi Germany.
There once was a great online article detailing a list of nations that banned guns and how they later did genocide on an ethnic group. The article concluded: So, if you want to ban guns, which minority group are you trying to kill off?
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Our great governor has also cut the tourism budget in half. He's going to ruin an already struggling hospitality economy. Chicago used to be one of the biggest convention cities around, but thanks to the political leaders refusing to allow casinos in the city of chicago, cutting the state funded tourism budget and fighting hospitality based unions business has declined considerably. Great way to run a state! Oh yeah, guns are cool, I don't own any but I feel it is my right to be able to purchase as scary a gun as I want, if I was so inclined to do so.
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Take everything I say, with a HUGE grain of salt I have a big mouth and even I was once young and idealistic
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