Fucking Harleys

Grasshopper · 02-21-2012, 03:38 PM

Why do people think their Harley's are worth so much money? It's retarded. The amount of money they think their bikes are worth is absolutely rediculous. Just because you spent 2000 dollars in chrome aftermarket crap to put on the thing doesn't mean it's worth 2000 more dollars. Just because you paid this much money 10 years ago for the bike doesn't mean it is still worth that same amount of money. The fact that people pay the money and think that the bike is worth the money is flabbergasting in it's own.

It's a turd, it handles like shit and it's old world technology. Why are they so expensive? Why do people continue to pay the amount of money they do for them?

Lonely Raven · 02-21-2012, 03:41 PM

Because Lawyers and Doctors are able and willing to pay those prices, which sets the standard.

Vcook · 02-21-2012, 03:42 PM

Potato potato potato

jrock · 02-21-2012, 03:43 PM

Its a lifestyle.

gsd656 · 02-21-2012, 03:46 PM

Economics...supply and demand. This over pricing or over valuing syndrome is not unique to HD motorcycles.

Chicago Performance · 02-21-2012, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrock

Its a lifestyle.

Yep.

G2G · 02-21-2012, 03:57 PM

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

BanditCPA · 02-21-2012, 03:57 PM

If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand (as told by the HD Marketing Dept)

JRobbins · 02-21-2012, 04:07 PM

Yeah I still don't fully understand HD ... and I definitely don't think that the used ones are worth anywhere near what most people are asking.

1000rr · 02-21-2012, 04:09 PM

Leaves me befuddled.

I mean it really doesn't have anything other cruisers don't have. I personally would rather get the M109r over HD.

Chunk · 02-21-2012, 04:09 PM

bunch of communists in this thread

OldTimeBiker · 02-21-2012, 04:16 PM

It's an old mindset that is dying hard. It has nothing to do with H-D's marketing department...it's the same mindset that makes late '60's Triumphs worth $10,000 and same year, same condition BSA's barely worth $4,000. As long as there are people with a strong desire to own an HD who are blessed with more money than brains the situation will continue.
10, 15 and even 20 years ago H-D's sold so well there were more buyers than bikes...the fact that there are more bikes than buyers these days hasn't caught up to the market because of the more money than brains crowd.
I feel your pain...I'd love to build a Harley Davidson drag bike but It's so cost prohibitive compared to anything else...I could build 4 Big 4 Japanese dragbikes for the cost of one HD ...and I'm not even talking anything exotic...just a street legal Hot Rod gas powered bracket bike!
BUT...I still love my 21 year old FXRS-Sp "Son of Superglide" Lowrider!

Ohfugit · 02-21-2012, 04:18 PM

Because the Girls are so much better then the ones on the back of Goldwings ... DUH

HDTony · 02-21-2012, 04:35 PM

sound (doesn't sound like a sewing machine)
fit and finish (far superior)
the feel of the controls (they don't feel cheap and rubbery)
metal and paint work (not plastic and cheap feeling)
ergonomics (everything is where it needs to be and can be adjusted to fit)
comfort (nuf said)
torque (ya its not a race bike but it performs well)
asthetics (beautiful bikes, not multicolored tuperware)
HUGE aftermarket (nuf said)
HUGE dealer and support network if your touring (your not he road, and have an issue you are never far from a dealer for help and they will give you first priority)

don't get me wrong theres nothing wrong with jap bikes. but you asked why and thats my thoughts.

Ride. · 02-21-2012, 04:46 PM

That's because they're antiques before they even leave the dealerships.
Antiques = $$

OldTimeBiker · 02-21-2012, 05:07 PM

^^^ If they're so antiquated why do all the other manufacturers go to such lengths to emulate them in their cruiser lines? One of them even went so far as to tune their engine to duplicate the sound and another came out with a pushrod engine! You can't argue with success...just read the post before yours and learn something...It isn't always HP and speed that wins the most important race of all...The one INTO dealers to buy the bike...In that race Harley has been out front in their class for almost 25 years now!
I certainly think there are too many guys around who want too much for their used HD's but that doesn't mean I don't celebrate the Milwaukee Iron icon's success!

PatFitz9 · 02-21-2012, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTony

sound (doesn't sound like a sewing machine)
fit and finish (far superior)
the feel of the controls (they don't feel cheap and rubbery)
metal and paint work (not plastic and cheap feeling)
ergonomics (everything is where it needs to be and can be adjusted to fit)
comfort (nuf said)
torque (ya its not a race bike but it performs well)
asthetics (beautiful bikes, not multicolored tuperware)
HUGE aftermarket (nuf said)
HUGE dealer and support network if your touring (your not he road, and have an issue you are never far from a dealer for help and they will give you first priority)

don't get me wrong theres nothing wrong with jap bikes. but you asked why and thats my thoughts.

Have you ridden a jap cruiser for an extended period of time? I thought my warrior was superior in all those categories. The only HD I've ridden that was close is a screamin eagle fat bob, which costs 3x what a warrior costs.

Ride. · 02-21-2012, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldTimeBiker

^^^ If they're so antiquated why do all the other manufacturers go to such lengths to emulate them in their cruiser lines? One of them even went so far as to tune their engine to duplicate the sound and another came out with a pushrod engine! You can't argue with success...just read the post before yours and learn something...It isn't always HP and speed that wins the most important race of all...The one INTO dealers to buy the bike...In that race Harley has been out front in their class for almost 25 years now!
I certainly think there are too many guys around who want too much for their used HD's but that doesn't mean I don't celebrate the Milwaukee Iron icon's success!

Wow. A bit (dragged on) defensive, eh?

OldTimeBiker · 02-21-2012, 05:15 PM

Facts and market realities are not defense. Truth needs no defense.

HDTony · 02-21-2012, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatFitz9

Have you ridden a jap cruiser for an extended period of time? I thought my warrior was superior in all those categories. The only HD I've ridden that was close is a screamin eagle fat bob, which costs 3x what a warrior costs.

I owned a Honda shadow and a valkyrie interstate.

PatFitz9 · 02-21-2012, 05:23 PM

IMO, neither of those are comparable to an HD. Try out the Yamaha raider or warrior, or the big suzukis (aftermarket pipes are a must). They are a little cheap feeling, but everything else is close or better than HD for a LOT less $$

HDTony · 02-21-2012, 05:27 PM

Not that much less money. Ive ridden a bunch of map cruisers. they all have one thing in common. Most are doing their best to impersonate the harley. but its all about personal preference and its in the details.

jrock · 02-21-2012, 05:34 PM

Haha, they imitate H-D for sales numbers, not because they are the best. Same can be said for pop music. In certain categories, what sells the most is what counts. Doesn't make it the best.

alocker · 02-21-2012, 05:46 PM

It's a perceived value thing. I enjoy riding the Harley's I rent but I would never buy one because I don't think they are worth the market value. I feel the same way about Cadillac's and the North Shore.

SloRoll · 02-21-2012, 05:53 PM

Damn it, why is gold so expensive?

I can get silver much cheaper.

trkyleg · 02-21-2012, 05:54 PM

^^^No shit, it's a damn rock!

I wish I could afford a Harley :'(

HDTony · 02-21-2012, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrock

Haha, they imitate H-D for sales numbers, not because they are the best. Same can be said for pop music. In certain categories, what sells the most is what counts. Doesn't make it the best.

Harley is the industry standard when it comes to cruisers. I could care less who sells more, it has nothing to do with that. If you like the jap cruisers, go buy one, hopper was asking why people like them, I answered. I've owned both, I prefer one. I personally would never waste my money on the jap cruisers again, not to mention the horrible resale value.

Bug · 02-21-2012, 06:35 PM

I bought mine to get laid - Not a lot of panties dropping over a Warrior or of the likes....

jrock · 02-21-2012, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bug

I bought mine to get laid - Not a lot of panties dropping over a Warrior or of the likes....

You're well practiced ability to put up with the narcissistic and annoying is what gets you laid. Not your Harley. LoL

Chicago Performance · 02-21-2012, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrock

Haha, they imitate H-D for sales numbers, not because they are the best.

Yep.

02-21-2012, 03:38 PM	#1
Grasshopper Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 12,369 Location: PF Sportbike: Slow Years Riding: all of them How you found us: a real person	Fucking Harleys Why do people think their Harley's are worth so much money? It's retarded. The amount of money they think their bikes are worth is absolutely rediculous. Just because you spent 2000 dollars in chrome aftermarket crap to put on the thing doesn't mean it's worth 2000 more dollars. Just because you paid this much money 10 years ago for the bike doesn't mean it is still worth that same amount of money. The fact that people pay the money and think that the bike is worth the money is flabbergasting in it's own. It's a turd, it handles like shit and it's old world technology. Why are they so expensive? Why do people continue to pay the amount of money they do for them?

02-21-2012, 03:41 PM	#2
Lonely Raven The Halo hides my Horns Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 12,643 Location: Bolingbrook, IL Sportbike: SV650 Years Riding: 1 year How you found us: Google	Because Lawyers and Doctors are able and willing to pay those prices, which sets the standard. __________________ http://www.firespeedtactical.com My ZenFolio Gallery: www.LonelyRaven.ZenFolio.com

02-21-2012, 03:43 PM	#4
jrock You got the talkin' done Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,531 Location: Palatine, IL Sportbike: '00 VFR800Fi & 1979 Honda CB750F Years Riding: long enough to have fallen off a few times - glad I wear a helmet! How you found us: Loose Lips Sink Ships, Loose Wires Cause Fires	Its a lifestyle. __________________ If you ain't with us, then it's just bad news.

02-21-2012, 03:46 PM	#5
gsd656 Greg Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,638 Location: Morton Grove, Illinois Sportbike: 2008 HD VRSCAW, 1985 Honda XR350R (Sold), 2001 SV650s (Sold), 2002 Sea-Doo GTX Di Years Riding: I thought I was getting the hang of it...back to the basics. How you found us: mentioned on svrider.com	Economics...supply and demand. This over pricing or over valuing syndrome is not unique to HD motorcycles. __________________ Greg

02-21-2012, 03:57 PM	#7
G2G Registered User Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 13,596 Location: Chicago Sportbike: It changes everyday Years Riding: 19 years How you found us: Ur mom	Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. __________________ The new chicagoland forum visit us here........ www.chicagolandbikers.com

02-21-2012, 03:57 PM	#8
BanditCPA Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 2,020 Location: . Sportbike: Moto Guzzi V-11 sport Years Riding: since 1998 How you found us: .	If you have to ask, you wouldn't understand (as told by the HD Marketing Dept) __________________ Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of shit. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"

02-21-2012, 04:07 PM	#9
JRobbins I am the Stig. Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,731 Location: Iowa City <- Chicago Sportbike: Blk 09' Triumph Daytona 675, Triumph Daytona 600 (Gone) Years Riding: Some say he's been ridin motorcycles since before they were invented... all we know is he's the Stig How you found us: Met Chills while rockclimbing.	Yeah I still don't fully understand HD ... and I definitely don't think that the used ones are worth anywhere near what most people are asking. __________________ GO HAWKS! http://www.finalgear.com/ http://www.chicagolandbikers.com http://sscustoms.com/

02-21-2012, 04:09 PM	#10
1000rr Registered User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 13 Location: Aurora Sportbike: Cbr 1000 Years Riding: 4 years How you found us: Google	Leaves me befuddled. I mean it really doesn't have anything other cruisers don't have. I personally would rather get the M109r over HD. __________________ Thanks, Haaris

02-21-2012, 04:09 PM	#11
Chunk Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,060 Location: Chicago Sportbike: I don't ride How you found us: google	bunch of communists in this thread __________________ <---- Useless Mufugga

02-21-2012, 04:16 PM	#12
OldTimeBiker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,236 Location: Chicago Illinois Sportbike: Triumph Bonneville...the original sportbike! Years Riding: Since about 11 years after my adult teeth came in How you found us: I tripped over ya on my way to the can!	It's an old mindset that is dying hard. It has nothing to do with H-D's marketing department...it's the same mindset that makes late '60's Triumphs worth $10,000 and same year, same condition BSA's barely worth $4,000. As long as there are people with a strong desire to own an HD who are blessed with more money than brains the situation will continue. 10, 15 and even 20 years ago H-D's sold so well there were more buyers than bikes...the fact that there are more bikes than buyers these days hasn't caught up to the market because of the more money than brains crowd. I feel your pain...I'd love to build a Harley Davidson drag bike but It's so cost prohibitive compared to anything else...I could build 4 Big 4 Japanese dragbikes for the cost of one HD ...and I'm not even talking anything exotic...just a street legal Hot Rod gas powered bracket bike! BUT...I still love my 21 year old FXRS-Sp "Son of Superglide" Lowrider! __________________ *"Dirt is for racing on...Asphalt is for getting there"* OR *"Flat trackers go in deeper and come out harder...* OR (With apologies to General MaCarthur) *"Old motorcycle racers never die, they just slip off the groove and fade into the dust!* If you want to anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal all one must do is tell the truth!

02-21-2012, 04:18 PM	#13
Ohfugit Resident Slow guy Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 6,298 Location: Chicago Sportbike: 250x_Dirtbike Triumph_Tripled_955i 90_H-D_Bagger CR80_Mini_Motard Years Riding: Street_LOOOOOOONG_Time Track Backmarker How you found us: Google	Because the Girls are so much better then the ones on the back of Goldwings ... DUH __________________ _______________________________________________ Riding has never been about fame or fortune. It's about losing yourself in the ride and pushing your limits a little more each day! _______________________________________________

02-21-2012, 04:35 PM	#14
HDTony Administrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 45,980 Location: Plainfield IL Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets Years Riding: Since 1989 How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.	sound (doesn't sound like a sewing machine) fit and finish (far superior) the feel of the controls (they don't feel cheap and rubbery) metal and paint work (not plastic and cheap feeling) ergonomics (everything is where it needs to be and can be adjusted to fit) comfort (nuf said) torque (ya its not a race bike but it performs well) asthetics (beautiful bikes, not multicolored tuperware) HUGE aftermarket (nuf said) HUGE dealer and support network if your touring (your not he road, and have an issue you are never far from a dealer for help and they will give you first priority) don't get me wrong theres nothing wrong with jap bikes. but you asked why and thats my thoughts. __________________ *HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!* Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan AirTek Heating & Air inc.

02-21-2012, 04:46 PM	#15
Ride. Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 151 Location: South-central WI Sportbike: Speed Triple, R6, SV650 Years Riding: 12 years How you found us: common knowledge, no?	That's because they're antiques before they even leave the dealerships. Antiques = $$ __________________ WiRiders.com - By Wisconsin riders, for Wisconsin riders

02-21-2012, 05:07 PM	#16
OldTimeBiker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,236 Location: Chicago Illinois Sportbike: Triumph Bonneville...the original sportbike! Years Riding: Since about 11 years after my adult teeth came in How you found us: I tripped over ya on my way to the can!	^^^ If they're so antiquated why do all the other manufacturers go to such lengths to emulate them in their cruiser lines? One of them even went so far as to tune their engine to duplicate the sound and another came out with a pushrod engine! You can't argue with success...just read the post before yours and learn something...It isn't always HP and speed that wins the most important race of all...The one INTO dealers to buy the bike...In that race Harley has been out front in their class for almost 25 years now! I certainly think there are too many guys around who want too much for their used HD's but that doesn't mean I don't celebrate the Milwaukee Iron icon's success! __________________ *"Dirt is for racing on...Asphalt is for getting there"* OR *"Flat trackers go in deeper and come out harder...* OR (With apologies to General MaCarthur) *"Old motorcycle racers never die, they just slip off the groove and fade into the dust!* If you want to anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal all one must do is tell the truth!

02-21-2012, 05:15 PM	#19
OldTimeBiker Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,236 Location: Chicago Illinois Sportbike: Triumph Bonneville...the original sportbike! Years Riding: Since about 11 years after my adult teeth came in How you found us: I tripped over ya on my way to the can!	Facts and market realities are not defense. Truth needs no defense. __________________ *"Dirt is for racing on...Asphalt is for getting there"* OR *"Flat trackers go in deeper and come out harder...* OR (With apologies to General MaCarthur) *"Old motorcycle racers never die, they just slip off the groove and fade into the dust!* If you want to anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal all one must do is tell the truth!

02-21-2012, 05:23 PM	#21
PatFitz9 Midnight Rider Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,818 Location: North side Sportbike: 2007 gix six and a Z1000 Years Riding: for a bit How you found us: random PM on sportbikes.net	IMO, neither of those are comparable to an HD. Try out the Yamaha raider or warrior, or the big suzukis (aftermarket pipes are a must). They are a little cheap feeling, but everything else is close or better than HD for a LOT less $$ __________________ Fat Pat #728 If you don't like my fire, then don't come around...

02-21-2012, 05:27 PM	#22
HDTony Administrator Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 45,980 Location: Plainfield IL Sportbike: A couple of pasta rockets Years Riding: Since 1989 How you found us: In the beginning there was CLSB and Tony saw that it was good.	Not that much less money. Ive ridden a bunch of map cruisers. they all have one thing in common. Most are doing their best to impersonate the harley. but its all about personal preference and its in the details. __________________ *HDTony.... Damn glad to meet you!* Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it. - Ronald Reagan AirTek Heating & Air inc.

02-21-2012, 05:34 PM	#23
jrock You got the talkin' done Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 15,531 Location: Palatine, IL Sportbike: '00 VFR800Fi & 1979 Honda CB750F Years Riding: long enough to have fallen off a few times - glad I wear a helmet! How you found us: Loose Lips Sink Ships, Loose Wires Cause Fires	Haha, they imitate H-D for sales numbers, not because they are the best. Same can be said for pop music. In certain categories, what sells the most is what counts. Doesn't make it the best. __________________ If you ain't with us, then it's just bad news.

02-21-2012, 05:46 PM	#24
alocker Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 409 Location: Algonquin Sportbike: 2007 GSXR 1000 Years Riding: .05 Years How you found us: RAT	It's a perceived value thing. I enjoy riding the Harley's I rent but I would never buy one because I don't think they are worth the market value. I feel the same way about Cadillac's and the North Shore. __________________ _________________ CCS AM 454

02-21-2012, 05:53 PM	#25
SloRoll I'm always learning...... Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,761 Location: Southwest Suburbs Sportbike: 2k7 FLHTCU, 1995 FXDL, 1949 HD EL Panhead, Yami PW80 Years Riding: Long, long, long, long, long time. How you found us: GPS	Damn it, why is gold so expensive? I can get silver much cheaper. __________________ Synthetic Lifelike Organism Responsible for Observation and Logical Learning - SLOROLL Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over. Zappa 1974 And I said....."Look here brother, who you jiving with that cosmik debris? Now is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho? Zappa 1974 Last edited by SloRoll; 02-21-2012 at 05:55 PM..

02-21-2012, 06:35 PM	#28
Bug Ridiculously Good Looking Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 31,370 Location: Gold Coast Sportbike: Sportbike? Years Riding: No F'in Idea How you found us: 4 & 6	I bought mine to get laid - Not a lot of panties dropping over a Warrior or of the likes.... __________________ "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming WOW, what a RIDE !!"

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