Toyota Matrix/Pontiac Vibe

Jimbo · 05-11-2005, 08:54 PM

I hope soon we will be getting a new car, and NOT a GM. My wife likes the Dodge Charger, but gas isn't cheap. She also likes the Toyota Matrix, and from what I heard and seen, you can't go wrong with a Toyota. My question is, they Toyota Matrix and the Ponitac Vibe are the same care, who makes them. I think Toyota makes them both, I tought I read that in Motortrend a while back but I can't remember. He Cavalier HAS to last I hope 1 more year

GM

bignate18 · 05-11-2005, 09:03 PM

as far as engine and overall design, i believe they are the same. cant go wrong with toyota, they are good cars, and everything from a corolla can be used if shit breaks. and there are lots of corollas out there. plus it looks better.

BeefyBeefo · 05-11-2005, 09:04 PM

If I were you I'd definitely go with the Matrix. Personally I think it looks a little better and will last much longer since it has the Toyota name on it

LOL

-Jeff-

Jimbo · 05-11-2005, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeefyBeefo

If I were you I'd definitely go with the Matrix. Personally I think it looks a little better and will last much longer since it has the Toyota name on it

LOL

-Jeff-

VERY TRUE

I priced them both and the Vibe was more, so Toyota gets my vote for that.
As long GM dosn't make the Matrix

and you can get all wheel drive on it too.

Bill Taborn · 05-11-2005, 09:19 PM

Definitely go with the missle launcher option!

Bill Taborn, Jr.

Cephas · 05-11-2005, 09:21 PM

They share the same 2 Yamaha engines and a GM Frame, and are manufactured in the same plant, the only difference is minor interior details and exterior. As far as Toyota being cheaper, you may want to check that again, because GM has huge bonus incentives right now and hot button promotions. You can price compare and get incentive details at www.carsdirect.com there's where I do all my pricing.

Sticky · 05-11-2005, 09:45 PM

Don't know about current pricing but I know when I bought my Matrix last summer it was cheaper than the Vibe. I tend to think that the Toyota will have a higher resale value, I could be wrong though. When we started looking we were going to get a Corolla but the inside of the Matrix feels huge compared to the Corolla. Ours ended up at $19600.00 out the door (I think) with package 2(moonroof, ABS, alloy, 6 CD indash). Toyota was running a 3.9% deal on it. It's a bit loud on the acceleration and is fairly gutless but it's a miser on gas and handles pretty good.

2weelpilot · 05-11-2005, 09:50 PM

whats wrong with GM?

Bill Taborn · 05-11-2005, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2weelpilot

whats wrong with GM?

Besides the fact that their bond rating is so low that they are at the value of junk bonds?

Bill T., Jr.

under200 · 05-11-2005, 09:54 PM

Get the Toyota. It is about 2 grand cheaper and has a longer powertrain warranty. The Vibe has a 36000 mile one where the Matrix has a 60000 one. See if this Yahoo auto comparo works.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/compa...e=Compare+cars

Under200

Jimbo · 05-11-2005, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2weelpilot

whats wrong with GM?

You want me to list the crap that shit GM is costing me??? I use to like GM. My GM jimmy=crap Chevy Cavalier=Crap my moms Buick=Crap.

RickC1957 · 05-11-2005, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2weelpilot

whats wrong with GM?

Huhhh? Your kidding Mikey? It's a GM

yamaweezle · 05-11-2005, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbo

You want me to list the crap that shit GM is costing me??? I use to like GM. My GM jimmy=crap Chevy Cavalier=Crap my moms Buick=Crap.

...LOL, jimbo your cracking me up...besides the matrix, have you checked out the camry? i bought one three years ago, and i am still waiting for something to go wrong with it...the camry is getting sportier every year...i'm thinking about a current model camry S for my next one...that is. if the one i have now ever breaks...

kc6 · 05-11-2005, 10:33 PM

Whats wrong with GM? whats RIGHT with GM? My best friend bought a GMC ultra superdy duper diesel pickup brand new and has been in for far more repairs (under warranty) that I would ever feel comfortable with. God help him when the warranty expires.

RickC1957 · 05-11-2005, 10:33 PM

I do believe the Scion and Matrix have the same engine and you can run a Toyota for almost ever.

Shiny R6 · 05-11-2005, 10:57 PM

Toyota is cheaper in price, and looks better. The Vibe doesn't come in awd does it? Matrix does. Toyota has more options and after market parts.

sponge · 05-11-2005, 11:21 PM

think re-sale value, I think toyota is better than pontiac.

CHeYeNNe · 05-11-2005, 11:35 PM

I like the looks of the Toyota better.

Hmmmz I've had GM's most my life and have YET to have a bad experience.

Deuces · 05-11-2005, 11:44 PM

I like the looks of the Vibe better... and haven't really had bad experience with GM. The Matrix don't look bad either, though.

Dr. D · 05-12-2005, 12:05 AM

I have a friend that had a Rav4 with 180K on it, bought it new, rolled it into a ditch and it still started and drove. This with hardly any maintanence, he is a lazy fuck. I'm sold on Toyota.

Sticky · 05-12-2005, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RickC1957

I do believe the Scion and Matrix have the same engine and you can run a Toyota for almost ever.

I think the xA and xB have 1.5L and the Matrix/Corolla have 1.8L. The Camry 4 have a 2.2 or 2.4 I believe.

Grover · 05-12-2005, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHeYeNNe

I like the looks of the Toyota better.

Hmmmz I've had GM's most my life and have YET to have a bad experience.

How long do you hold onto them? Keep them more than 4-5 years and "things" happen, mostly electrical. I've had a water pump crack, dousing the belts w/ coolant (which destroys everything except your cooling system). Two fuel pumps. Now my "idiot dinger" for the lights being on turns on when the door is open, even if the lights are off and the dashboard lights don't work (both are probably related). Biggest problem now is the firewall cracked so when ever it rains, the passenger foot area gets wet.

I'm not saying I won't buy GM again, but it sucks that I babied the motor with proper maintenance, synth oil, premium gas; only to have to everything else around it go to crap. The typical $400 bill every 6 or so months for fixing things is cheap compared to a car loan. GMs are cheaper to fix than the imports too.

Back to topic: I like the styling of the Matrix more than the Vibe, but the Vibe has a GM approved supercharger accessory. I suggest test driving though, some people are not prepared for just how whimpy the motor actually is.

Sticky · 05-12-2005, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grover

but the Vibe has a GM approved supercharger accessory.

hahaha, don't go trying to make a slow car fast! Keep it cheap, slow and dependable, you have a bike after all.

CHeYeNNe · 05-12-2005, 10:19 AM

I have had little things go in time, which is a given. I have never had a PITA problem YET.

Cephas · 05-12-2005, 03:19 PM

both the Vibe and the Matrix come in with 3 engine options all 3 are 1.8L but 1 is 135hp the other is 180hp the 3rd option is the AWD and it's 140hp for some reason. This Engine is made by Yamaha you can check the window sticker at a dealer says it right at the top left.

As far as GM being crap? Don't know what you all are talking about I had an 02 TA WS6 got 25mpg never had one problem with it. And if your talking Truck class Silverado has the highest resale value in it's class. I also own a 2000 Tundra so I'm not saying Toyota is bad but the average lifespan for someone owning a car is 3 years, so either buy a car that is 1 year used and save the money there or just buy what you want cause you like it.

shadrach · 05-12-2005, 03:43 PM

SSC likes their Matrix project car:
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...scc_promatrix/

The motor ran suprisingly well under boost, considering the abnorammly-high compression ratio of the Celica motor.

Jimbo · 05-12-2005, 04:39 PM

My 1st GM was a 90 Chevy Beretta and it was ok, it rattled a lot and I was waiting for something to fall off. My second GM was a 96 GMC Jimmy, and this POS was in the shop 6 times. 2 trans, 2 transfer cases, blown head gasket, rear end went out. This was a new truck also. My mom has a 99 Buick Regal and she's having noting but problems, and it only has 40,000 miles in it, if that. My wife has a 99 Chevy Cavalier and we dumped about $1600.00 in the last 6 months. One thing we got the motor for the driver side window fixed and now the passenger side is crapping out. A fuel injector went out and it only has 56,000 miles on it.
My dad has taught me to take care of my vehicles and I do all preventive work on them. I do oil changes every 3000 miles and anything else that needs to be done. I now see why GM is going down the crapper and their resale on cars suck. I was loyal to GM now I’m loyal to my wallet.
I had a total of 4 Chrysler vehicles in my life. I had a 81 Plymouth Turismo and it ran great, then a 89 Dodge Dakota that I bought off a friend and it had 200,000 miles on it when I bought it and sold it back to him with 300,000 miles on it. I beat that thing to death and still ran. I had a ’99 Dodge Durango and got over 100,000 miles on it and I would of kept that but I got a great deal on a ’03 Durango.
Now I see why GM was down 12.7% in February and Chrysler was up 7.5% (Honda down 16.5%)

http://www.mlive.com/business/fljour...0458193060.xml

I’m not saying Chrysler is perfect, but so far I’m happy. My dad had a Toyota and it ran nice, and never been in a shop for anything but regular stuff.
I don’t like to bash brands, but I’m just sick of GM lately.

oldschoolninja · 05-12-2005, 08:24 PM

toyotas start on fire and have a sludge problem, besides the other recalls.

Nothing wrong with GM. Only problem with them losing money is because they have to pay all the employees "union" benefits.

People want to buy domestic gas but want a foreign car.

Sticky · 05-12-2005, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldschoolninja

toyotas start on fire and have a sludge problem, besides the other recalls.

Nothing wrong with GM. Only problem with them losing money is because they have to pay all the employees "union" benefits.

People want to buy domestic gas but want a foreign car.

Aren't most of the Toyotas in the US made in the US? Is the plant in Kentucky non-union?

Ryan · 05-12-2005, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldschoolninja

toyotas start on fire and have a sludge problem, besides the other recalls.

Nothing wrong with GM. Only problem with them losing money is because they have to pay all the employees "union" benefits.

People want to buy domestic gas but want a foreign car.

Recalls? I'd be willing to bet GM has a ton more recalls than Toyota. I rarely see my customers with Toyotas for anything other than maintainence, the ones with GM's I know very well

. Front end work, misc. drivebility problems, squeaks and rattles, American cars are very good for someone in my line of work. I'd never tell one of my customers to buy a Toyota or Honda, I'd be cutting my own throat

. I personally own 2 Toyotas, one has 200,000 miles on it and I just replaced the original alternator a couple months ago, it's never had any front end work done on it, the A/C blows cold, everything works, the most major repair I've done on it was a clutch, and it still drives like new. I've never seen a GM do that. I wish all my customers owned GM's, my paycheck would be alot bigger. And this is all coming from an ex diehard GM guy, which I was until I opened my eyes and started looking at facts instead of basing my opinions on the logic that my whole family always had GM's so I should have one too.

-Ryan

-Ryan

05-11-2005, 09:19 PM	#5
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05-11-2005, 09:21 PM	#6
Cephas Sport Rider Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 275 Location: Naperville, IL Sportbike: 2004 Yamaha R6SS Years Riding: 1 year How you found us: Friend	They share the same 2 Yamaha engines and a GM Frame, and are manufactured in the same plant, the only difference is minor interior details and exterior. As far as Toyota being cheaper, you may want to check that again, because GM has huge bonus incentives right now and hot button promotions. You can price compare and get incentive details at www.carsdirect.com there's where I do all my pricing. __________________ Always looking to ride, just send me an email

05-11-2005, 09:45 PM	#7
Sticky Special Agent Lance Boyle Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 5,961 Location: Skokie Sportbike: ain't got none Years Riding: 26 How you found us: Sportbike Network	Don't know about current pricing but I know when I bought my Matrix last summer it was cheaper than the Vibe. I tend to think that the Toyota will have a higher resale value, I could be wrong though. When we started looking we were going to get a Corolla but the inside of the Matrix feels huge compared to the Corolla. Ours ended up at $19600.00 out the door (I think) with package 2(moonroof, ABS, alloy, 6 CD indash). Toyota was running a 3.9% deal on it. It's a bit loud on the acceleration and is fairly gutless but it's a miser on gas and handles pretty good. __________________ <--------Sticky Nicky

05-11-2005, 10:33 PM	#14
kc6 misses motorcycles Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,665 Location: Naperville, IL Sportbike: pedal power Years Riding: 10+ years street, 1 dirt How you found us: misfortune	Whats wrong with GM? whats RIGHT with GM? My best friend bought a GMC ultra superdy duper diesel pickup brand new and has been in for far more repairs (under warranty) that I would ever feel comfortable with. God help him when the warranty expires. __________________ Kevin To be old and wise you must first be young and stupid. I've got the latter down pat.

05-11-2005, 10:33 PM	#15
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05-11-2005, 09:03 PM	#2
bignate18 Streets of Squidfield regular Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 134 Location: Palos Hills Sportbike: 96 zx6r Years Riding: 5 months How you found us: heard of it from a buddy	as far as engine and overall design, i believe they are the same. cant go wrong with toyota, they are good cars, and everything from a corolla can be used if shit breaks. and there are lots of corollas out there. plus it looks better.

05-11-2005, 09:04 PM	#3
BeefyBeefo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 191 Location: Morton Grove & Iowa City Sportbike: 2002 Scratched Up R6 Years Riding: Not long enough... How you found us: Yahoo search	If I were you I'd definitely go with the Matrix. Personally I think it looks a little better and will last much longer since it has the Toyota name on it LOL -Jeff-

05-11-2005, 09:54 PM	#10
under200 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,131 Location: norridge, IL Sportbike: 2009 Triumph Street Triple R, 2007 Suzuki GSXR-600 Years Riding: 8 How you found us: web search	Get the Toyota. It is about 2 grand cheaper and has a longer powertrain warranty. The Vibe has a 36000 mile one where the Matrix has a 60000 one. See if this Yahoo auto comparo works. http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/compa...e=Compare+cars Under200

05-11-2005, 10:57 PM	#16
Shiny R6 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 133 Location: Carol Stream Sportbike: 2004 YZF-R6 (red), 2000 Bandit 600 (red), 2008 Night Train (black denim) Years Riding: About a 5 years How you found us: internet	kinda like the same car but... Toyota is cheaper in price, and looks better. The Vibe doesn't come in awd does it? Matrix does. Toyota has more options and after market parts.

05-11-2005, 11:21 PM	#17
sponge shhhhhhhhh! Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 1,223 Location: Carol Stream Sportbike: suzuki Years Riding: yesterday How you found us: Nabisco	think re-sale value, I think toyota is better than pontiac.

05-11-2005, 11:35 PM	#18
CHeYeNNe Is it Spring YET?!?!?! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,368 Location: Crest Hill OR In Front Of You!!! Sportbike: 08 CBR1000RR Black/Silver Years Riding: Not Long Enuff!!!! How you found us: Friends	I like the looks of the Toyota better. Hmmmz I've had GM's most my life and have YET to have a bad experience. __________________ NESBA #26 STT #26 I Group I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later!!

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Deuces We miss you Ash!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 4,919 Location: Last, but gaining quick... Sportbike: A red one Years Riding: Noob How you found us: Followed the fast guys	I like the looks of the Vibe better... and haven't really had bad experience with GM. The Matrix don't look bad either, though. __________________ Ride smart... stupid hurts. Everyone crashes. Some get back on. Some don't. Some can't... Godspeed 788!!! We miss you!

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Dr. D Bop your way home... Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 5,596 Location: San Antonio Sportbike: Hypermotard Years Riding: since 99' How you found us: Googled "bullshit artists"	I have a friend that had a Rav4 with 180K on it, bought it new, rolled it into a ditch and it still started and drove. This with hardly any maintanence, he is a lazy fuck. I'm sold on Toyota. __________________ -Alan- Balancing the Paradox of Art and Profit

05-12-2005, 10:19 AM	#24
CHeYeNNe Is it Spring YET?!?!?! Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 17,368 Location: Crest Hill OR In Front Of You!!! Sportbike: 08 CBR1000RR Black/Silver Years Riding: Not Long Enuff!!!! How you found us: Friends	I have had little things go in time, which is a given. I have never had a PITA problem YET. __________________ NESBA #26 STT #26 I Group I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later!!

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Cephas Sport Rider Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 275 Location: Naperville, IL Sportbike: 2004 Yamaha R6SS Years Riding: 1 year How you found us: Friend	both the Vibe and the Matrix come in with 3 engine options all 3 are 1.8L but 1 is 135hp the other is 180hp the 3rd option is the AWD and it's 140hp for some reason. This Engine is made by Yamaha you can check the window sticker at a dealer says it right at the top left. As far as GM being crap? Don't know what you all are talking about I had an 02 TA WS6 got 25mpg never had one problem with it. And if your talking Truck class Silverado has the highest resale value in it's class. I also own a 2000 Tundra so I'm not saying Toyota is bad but the average lifespan for someone owning a car is 3 years, so either buy a car that is 1 year used and save the money there or just buy what you want cause you like it. __________________ Always looking to ride, just send me an email

05-12-2005, 03:43 PM	#26
shadrach hola, Senor Mano Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 10,860 Location: South Loop & Cary Sportbike: '02 GSXR 600 / '98 CBRF3 Years Riding: 5 How you found us: Google	SSC likes their Matrix project car: http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/pr...scc_promatrix/ The motor ran suprisingly well under boost, considering the abnorammly-high compression ratio of the Celica motor. __________________ Jeff NESBA #311 '02 GSXR600 '98 Smokin' Joe's F3

05-12-2005, 08:24 PM	#28
oldschoolninja i need a new bike, this one is trashed Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,072 Location: Fantasia Sportbike: Falkor Years Riding: 20 How you found us: yahoo	toyotas start on fire and have a sludge problem, besides the other recalls. Nothing wrong with GM. Only problem with them losing money is because they have to pay all the employees "union" benefits. People want to buy domestic gas but want a foreign car.

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