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Trailer lighting wiring quesiton and ideas

I have a 7x12 cargo mate trailer. it has lights inside that run off the vehicles 12v parking light circuit. I don't like this as I never get to use the lights this way. there is a yellow wire in the battery box on the tongue that is not connected and runs to the center plug of the 7 pin connector, although my center pin on my truck does not have power to it.

so heres my idea, I want to get a small gel cell battery and hook it to this yellow wire and get 12 volts of the truck to charge this battery, then run the lighting and possibly a car stereo off this circuit, this way I will have lights and sound even when I'm not connected, and it will charge on the way to the track or off a battery tender while in storage. (or connected to Alex's Generator ).

has anyone ever done this setup before. It seems like it shouldn't be that difficult to wire up. I'm thinking 12v switched source from truck to positive of battery, battery neg to frame ground, then a small fuse block, to run lighting and stereo circuit off of. anything I'm missing here?




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That will work. Your Tundra should have B+ at the trailer plug and you can just run it off that. My popup camper has the same setup with a battery to run the lights when not plugged in and it charges off B+ at the trailer plug. Most trailers with electric brakes also have a small battery to turn the brakes on in case the trailer falls off the truck and they're setup the same way.

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I have a 7x12 cargo mate trailer. it has lights inside that run off the vehicles 12v parking light circuit. I don't like this as I never get to use the lights this way. there is a yellow wire in the battery box on the tongue that is not connected and runs to the center plug of the 7 pin connector, although my center pin on my truck does not have power to it.

so heres my idea, I want to get a small gel cell battery and hook it to this yellow wire and get 12 volts of the truck to charge this battery, then run the lighting and possibly a car stereo off this circuit, this way I will have lights and sound even when I'm not connected, and it will charge on the way to the track or off a battery tender while in storage. (or connected to Alex's Generator ).

has anyone ever done this setup before. It seems like it shouldn't be that difficult to wire up. I'm thinking 12v switched source from truck to positive of battery, battery neg to frame ground, then a small fuse block, to run lighting and stereo circuit off of. anything I'm missing here?
I do these all the time. That is exactly how it is done. Wink's is set up this way.

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That will work. Your Tundra should have B+ at the trailer plug and you can just run it off that. My popup camper has the same setup with a battery to run the lights when not plugged in and it charges off B+ at the trailer plug. Most trailers with electric brakes also have a small battery to turn the brakes on in case the trailer falls off the truck and they're setup the same way.

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Yes my trailer does have a battery for the braking system. Just playing around the other night I disconnected that circuit and powered up the lights with that battery, I almost thought about tieing the lights into this circuit permanently but decided to err on the side of caution and not do it that way. Do you think using the B+ wire off the truck is a good idea, as this would not be switched and would possibly drain the trucks battery during the weekend if connected, also I'm thinking the battery charging may want a separate circuit so it doesn't exceed the designed amp draw of the existing B+ of the trailer connector. am I wrong in this line of thinking?




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I do these all the time. That is exactly how it is done. Wink's is set up this way.
Awesome! Any tips as far as wire size or connections from the work you've done?

So just connect the switched source from truck to the + terminal of new battery, neg of battery to trailer frame, and fuse block to + term of battery. then run accessories to fuse block and ground them to frame?




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Yes my trailer does have a battery for the braking system. Just playing around the other night I disconnected that circuit and powered up the lights with that battery, I almost thought about tieing the lights into this circuit permanently but decided to err on the side of caution and not do it that way. Do you think using the B+ wire off the truck is a good idea, as this would not be switched and would possibly drain the trucks battery during the weekend if connected, also I'm thinking the battery charging may want a separate circuit so it doesn't exceed the designed amp draw of the existing B+ of the trailer connector. am I wrong in this line of thinking?
It won't drain the battery unless you leave something on. I guess I could see forgetting to turn the lights off or something, just don't forget and you'll be ok . If you're just running a few interior lights, the B+ wire that's already there to charge your trailer brake battery will be fine. I don't have my Tundra here or I'd go look at how many amps the fuse for the trailer plug B+ wire is. That would be a good indication of how much that circuit is designed to handle.

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It won't drain the battery unless you leave something on. I guess I could see forgetting to turn the lights off or something, just don't forget and you'll be ok . If you're just running a few interior lights, the B+ wire that's already there to charge your trailer brake battery will be fine. I don't have my Tundra here or I'd go look at how many amps the fuse for the trailer plug B+ wire is. That would be a good indication of how much that circuit is designed to handle.

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I'm still trying to ascertain what the truck is offering, but it looks like the truck has 3 30a fuses under the hood related tot he trailer wiring. just trying to determine which ones do what.




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I might be waay off on this one but if you drain the trailer to dead or close to dead failry often, would a deep cycle cell be better?
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I might be waay off on this one but if you drain the trailer to dead or close to dead failry often, would a deep cycle cell be better?
Good question, I don't have a lot of experience with batteries. anyone know what would be best for this application? I want something that can run two small lights, a car stereo with 4 speakers, and possible charge a cell phone, and a pump for blowing up an air mattress. over a course of 3 days




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Mine had a RV 120v plug in mounted in a waterproof box under the trailer and was set up for a 120v to 12v converter that also charged the boat deep cycle battery when the trailer was plugged into 120. Didnt draw off the truck at all. I also had 3 120v waterproof outlets in the trailer.
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Awesome! Any tips as far as wire size or connections from the work you've done?

So just connect the switched source from truck to the + terminal of new battery, neg of battery to trailer frame, and fuse block to + term of battery. then run accessories to fuse block and ground them to frame?
I would use 12 or 14 gauge (or Larger) if it will fit in the plug on both ends to cut down on resistance. I use the factory wiring to connect to the plug on the vehicle, unless there isn't a 12v source for charging. In this case you can either run a fused connection between the vehice's battery and the plug, or off of a switched source.
The first is the best option if you want to use the the vehicle's battery in conjunction with the one on the trailer, if you don't want to leave your key on in the ignition. The downside to this is if you left things running too long you will drain both batteries. The upside is that the batteries will last longer.
I use solderless connections that have heat shrink material built in, but you can do this yourself if you are unable to find them. I would ground the battery directly to the frame of the trailer, using a good solid connector and removing all paint in that area before securing it down with a stainless steel bolt, washers, lockwasher & nut (locktite the threads as well). Bad grounds in this kind of set up will cause you headaches down the road. Seal the area with a clear silicone or clear spray paint to keep moisture out.This also allows you to see if there is any rust or oxidation forming around the ground.
You can always add a capacitor to help with the load swings, but I would mount this inside, if you go this route make sure you connect this properly or you will have a very bad day. Make sure you get rubber gromets to place in the holes you drill through the body of the trailer and seal with silicone. Get some wire loom to hide the wiring and electrical tape it so that water doesn't creep in the crack or the ends.
Get yourself 2 Distribution Blocks and mount those inside to give you a source for both power and ground and ease of wiring in your accessories: http://www.hifisoundconnection.com/S...id/0/SFV/30046

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Awesome! Thanks!




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Oh and as far as batteries go, these have been my only choice for the last 6 years http://www.optimabatteries.com/publi...ommercial.html

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Awesome! Thanks!
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If you do this, let me know - I would like to see the hook up. I was actually thinking about running 120v through mine and just letting a generator run the trailer options when parked through an exterior outlet; so I would be doing the opposite of what you are doing. This may change my mind. If you need a hand as well, I can swing by.

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Oh and as far as batteries go, these have been my only choice for the last 6 years http://www.optimabatteries.com/publi...ommercial.html
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If you do this, let me know - I would like to see the hook up. I was actually thinking about running 120v through mine and just letting a generator run the trailer options when parked through an exterior outlet; so I would be doing the opposite of what you are doing. This may change my mind. If you need a hand as well, I can swing by.
Running a 110 setup in mine is not out of the question either, I've also thought about doing that. Some tracks have power right there so I would hook up if I could. but the 12 volt would be nice all the time.




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Running a 110 setup in mine is not out of the question either
Oh DUH 110 - 120 whatever it takes.

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If you really feel clever, put an inverter in after the battery. 120V available full-time, and it recharges on the road.

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If you really feel clever, put an inverter in after the battery. 120V available full-time, and it recharges on the road.
that is something i was thinking about, but don't they draw a boatload of current which will drain the system fast?




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that is something i was thinking about, but don't they draw a boatload of current which will drain the system fast?
Nope. I run my inverter in my service truck all day with the engine off and it is never enough to drain the batteries. I do have 3 batteries on the truck, but with 2 batteries you should be ok as long as you aren't drawing a huge load.

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that is something i was thinking about, but don't they draw a boatload of current which will drain the system fast?
They'll draw at least 10x the load current and probably a little more, but that's going to go with the territory. It's just one of the things you have to plan for when sizing the battery.

It all just depends on what you want to run off the thing. If it's just a couple of lights, that's one thing. If you want to run a couple of air conditioners, it's another.

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