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well fuck you then.

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yeah, ghetto racing doesn't roll like that.

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I'm still a little hesitant about those. I'm wondeirng about the design putting too much stress on the swingarm pivot when the bike is shaking side to side in the trailer.




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I cant' believe you don't have to tie down or do anything to the front end with it.

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I'm not a mechanical engineer by any means, but it just seems wrong. that wheel is not meant to be locked in place when the bike is trying to lean from g forces, all that directional force is being put right on that swingarm joint, which is designed to go up and down not side to side.




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I'm not a mechanical engineer by any means, but it just seems wrong. that wheel is not meant to be locked in place when the bike is trying to lean from g forces, all that directional force is being put right on that swingarm joint, which is designed to go up and down not side to side.
Wonder if it could survive a Wink - Trailer Gone Wild ride?

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So I had a nice long talk with one of the guys from Pit Bull on this. Here are the key takeaways

-Site is going to be updated soon with new pin kits for more bikes
-Will have a 05-06 will have a pin kit in about 2 weeks
-Will be adding a brace to the inside of the trailer restraint for extra support (the goal is to make your trailer be able to "withstand a slow speed impact by a semi and not have your bike come off the floor if your trailer is flipped")
-no issue side to side pressure on the swingarm. will not damage the bike
-currently hold at least 1100lbs of side to side pressure (basically your floor board will come apart as a failure)
-You need no extra restraints

Only issue people have mentions is they don't like that the front wheel can turn. This won't cause an issue, but pit bull recommends tightening your damper if you got one to keep this from happening.

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I'm not a mechanical engineer by any means, but it just seems wrong. that wheel is not meant to be locked in place when the bike is trying to lean from g forces, all that directional force is being put right on that swingarm joint, which is designed to go up and down not side to side.
Well you could always add 2 tie downs if that is a concern, but I'm trying to look into it. A system without tie downs would be great!

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I have been making and using my own style stand for over 2 years now. I have over 20,000 miles hauling my bikes around and have not had any issues at all. Here is what mine looks like. Oh and it is a lot cheaper.

Wink and Ron Hix have a few too. They are real easy to use once you do it a few times.


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Easy to use...ha...you haven't seen my ghetto setup. I'd drop my bike for sure

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A bunch of guys i do trackdays with from down south use something similar to what zues has. The difference is the outer piece has two bars that make a triangle and also the tire is on the ground not in the air. Along with a baxley sport chock the bike does not move. None of the people using this set up use tie downs. The bike is more stable than using just tie downs and a wheel chock. There is no movement from side to side on the bike so there is no unwanted slop to cause any damage to the swingarm. If I had a trailer this would be the set up I would use. The ST stands and Zues stand raise the rear tire up. The home meade ones that my friends use and make along with the pit bull one keep the rear tire n the ground.
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Well you could always add 2 tie downs if that is a concern, but I'm trying to look into it. A system without tie downs would be great!
I would add some tie downs to the front just to keep it steady. I still dont like the pivit issue.




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Looks like we are getting into a pretty serious discussion about your concern Tony on the WERA board. The Crash guy works at Pit Bull. Check it out.

http://forums.13x.com/showthread.php?t=152212

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The side forces on your swingarm through a fast sweeper are far higher than they would be during transport.

Think about it, at extreme lean, the flex of chassis components do a good portion of your bump absorption. The swingarm pivot is designed with this in mind, so a little twisting won't hurt anything.
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I have been making and using my own style stand for over 2 years now. I have over 20,000 miles hauling my bikes around and have not had any issues at all. Here is what mine looks like. Oh and it is a lot cheaper.

Wink and Ron Hix have a few too. They are real easy to use once you do it a few times.

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Love my two from Zeus as well!

We use NO tie downs on the ones in Zeus' units, just tighten down the damper if you care. Not even necessary anyway.

They work awesome, are easy to load and there is ZERO side movement compared to a LOT of side movement with Condors and two tie downs. ALSO, there is no compression of the shock or the forks.

We can also load bikes in far greater density in the trailer since tie downs are not required. I have four of the mounts in my trailer, and that makes it easy for Garth, or Ron or Brent or any of the other guys to just roll right in, and lock them down.

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They need to make a mini-version for fiddys.

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they make a mini version of there stands for the 50. Rear and front
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Just bought the Pit Bull restraint. Will have it mid next week.

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I'm not a mechanical engineer by any means, but it just seems wrong. that wheel is not meant to be locked in place when the bike is trying to lean from g forces, all that directional force is being put right on that swingarm joint, which is designed to go up and down not side to side.
I am a mechanical engineer and that thing scares me. For normal driving, I bet it will be perfectly fine, I'd be more worried about what happens in extreme situations. I personally would definitely use straps on the front of the bike, they don't have to be super tight, but just something to hold the front in place. I'd be worried say you took an exit ramp too fast, the trailer starts swinging, that thing is going to see all sorts of crazy forces on it.

I'm sure it will be fine, but as a ME, it's natural for me to be like this.
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sort of.

the swingarm is not the issue

think of your bike as a 5'+ long pry bar twisting against the chock's mounting bolts. Next Q how strong is the floor of the trailer? Ours is ply and diamond plate. It would not take a great deal of force to rip the fasteners through both. The cross frame members are not all "that" either.
A few minimally tightened straps could save a lot of trouble.

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I'm recommending the Pit Bulls for 3 reasons: 1) The patented Pit Bull Strapless Restraints are Soooo easy to use. So easy in fact that now you can drink your beer before you load the bikes, and;

2) Being Pit Bull products, these things are Bullet Proof, and were tested under exteme loads in excess of tolerances possible in real world conditions, and 3) did I forget to mention that Pit Bull's intellectual property attorney is biased in favor of any stand that is Red and Gold.
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Been using STStands for years, no issues.

Have two pitbulls in the new trailer...... they are easier to load.


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