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Considering Super Moto next summer.

Where do you ride / race or practice?

What are the typical class structures when picking a bike?

What are the typical costs?

What do I need to know? What should I not worry about?

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$40 Track Day - For the bike, $2K to $6K for most
They are built to crash and are too much fun

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Considering Super Moto next summer.

Best overall place for info:
http://supermotojunkie.com/

Where do you ride / race or practice?
Local(ish) tracks:
RA Briggs & Stratton Motorplex: (~3 hrs N from Chicago) http://www.roadamerica.com/Competito...nMotorplex.asp
One of the best and longest running Kart/SM tracks in the country. There are 2 big weekend races there each year combining the NWGP and SBKII series. They have open practices on Wednesdays, and various weekend practice events throughout the year.

USA Internatioanl Raceway (Shawano, WI): (~4 hrs N from Chicago):
(they changed hands recently and their website doesn't seem to be active)
The coolest track in the area, but a bit of a drive. With the new management, it has been a pretty open track. Basically just call ahead, and you can probably come out and ride. NWGP usually has 3 or 4 race events there each year.

Sugar River Raceway: Brodhead, WI(~45 min NW of Rockford) http://sugarriverraceway.com/
Smallish track, but probably the closest to most in Chicago area.
They typically have practices the 2nd and 4th Thursday of the month thru the summer. NWGP usually runs 1 or 2 races a year there.

Badger Kart Club: Dousman, WI (~2.5 hrs NW of Chicago)
http://www.badgerkartclub.com/
Another fairly small track, and we haven't been having a lot of luck getting track time there. The NWGP guys have been working to keep it going, but not sure what next year holds at this point.


What are the typical class structures when picking a bike?

http://www.superbikers2.com/
http://www.northwoodsgp.com/Forum.html
The above 2 organizations (SBK2 & NWGP) run the races in the area. NWGP is pavement only, SBK2 runs with a dirt section.

As Ed mentioned, a 250 or 450 4 stroke is a great place to start and Supermotojunkie is a great place to find a bike already set up rather than spending the money to set one up yourself. If you want something that you can also ride on the street, also consider a DRZ400. They are a bit heavy and slow for the track, but it is a platform that many have started from, and both Orgs let them run with the 250 class bikes.

What are the typical costs?

Practice day costs range from $25-$40 depending on the track.
Race day costs are usually around $60-100 also depending on the org and whether you pre-enter or not.


What do I need to know?
On your first day riding the dirt section with slicks, you will need to recalibrate how much front brake you grab. Or you will be reminded painfully.

What should I not worry about?
Lack of riding time or being too slow that you will get in the way. The groups are generally very laid back and everyone is respectful. It is not unusual to go to one of the RA weekend events and have 8-10 bikes there including absolute beginners and past national champions. Example:
https://www.chicagolandsportbikes.com...d.php?t=115342


Enjoy! Hope to see you out there (which means I need to make it out as well)!

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What bikes are 2G?
Things like this one pop up on SMJ from time to time:
http://www.supermotojunkie.com/showt...a-450-Smr-2300
THis one is sold, but you can often find 2000-2004 bikes in that price range, but you probably are going to be in for some work.

It seems like $3-3500 is about where you can find a lot of stuff.

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I sold my DRZ back to B.H for $2K and it was a 10yr old Motor that had been beaten on and still fired right up and ran strong - You can get a nice bike for $3K and a very nice bike for $4K and a mega pimp bike for $5K-$6K

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buy cheap bike, do 20 dollar track days. wonder why the hell you ever spent the 1000's you did on the regular track days. LOL




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Does this mean you are converting the 250 back to where it should be and joining us next season?

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Does this mean you are converting the 250 back to where it should be and joining us next season?
bah, I hevent ridden the 250 since my dirt buddy got quit. not even sure if she starts right now




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How much riding time do you get in a typical day? Do they have group structures like trackdays? I'm assuming not? Or beginner / advanced break down like dirt bikes were run at Waterman?

If I had a bike and just needed it setup for SM what has to be done to it to make it super pimpy and competitive?

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bah, I hevent ridden the 250 since my dirt buddy got quit. not even sure if she starts right now
Ive ridden a bunch this year. You need to get out more

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I think I'm gonna sell mine. Im just getting bored. I really wanted to do some traveling, and riding, but it always falls through.

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I kinda wanna sell everything, and move to Cali
I would get bored quick too if I only went to one place. Take a w/e - drive 5 hours to a diff track and raise hell all w/e. It works

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How much riding time do you get in a typical day? Do they have group structures like trackdays? I'm assuming not? Or beginner / advanced break down like dirt bikes were run at Waterman?

If I had a bike and just needed it setup for SM what has to be done to it to make it super pimpy and competitive?
On a track day that is bikes only, you can ride from open to close - If we share with Karts, it is 20 min sessions - No structure, just ride

As far as pimpy, same as a Sportbike Bro

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Sweet. Thanks for sharing. So if you've got a bike, you need rims (17"?) and then setup the suspension? Springs and valving is different? Or just change the tires and ride the crap out of it?

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I might do this as well . Seems a lot cheaper than a sportbike and a lot more fun.
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Sweet. Thanks for sharing. So if you've got a bike, you need rims (17"?) and then setup the suspension? Springs and valving is different? Or just change the tires and ride the crap out of it?
Susp and Brakes

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This might help clarify any outstanding issues or questions you may have:


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Also wheelies are not frowned apon during trackdays and racing. They are encouraged!!!! I did the sumo thing about 6 years ago and then took a break as no one was doing it. No I am back and loving every minute of it!!!
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Sweet. Thanks for sharing. So if you've got a bike, you need rims (17"?) and then setup the suspension? Springs and valving is different? Or just change the tires and ride the crap out of it?
If you really want to go the ultra-cheap route, you can just throw some dualsport tires on the stock rims. There isn't much available for a 19" rear, but if you have an 18" rear, you can get a set of Avon Distanzias that actually hook up pretty good.

You can also run stock suspension with the clickers just cranked in quite a bit okay, but getting it valved special for SM definitely helps.

Front brakes are the other key item. The faster you go the quicker you run out of brakes.

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Any idea what guys gear the DRZ's with ? I am guessing a 50-53 rear ??
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I might do this as well . Seems a lot cheaper than a sportbike and a lot more fun.
When it is posed this way it almost makes perfect sense! RA is a hike though The only place I ride is Blackhawk and Autobahn.


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Also wheelies are not frowned apon during trackdays and racing. They are encouraged!!!! I did the sumo thing about 6 years ago and then took a break as no one was doing it. No I am back and loving every minute of it!!!
That's badass!! fak I want a DRZ or something now LOL
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Any idea what guys gear the DRZ's with ? I am guessing a 50-53 rear ??
50-53 on the rear would be really short unless you're running a 16 front.
15/41 is stock on the SM. 14/41 - 14/44 is what I typically used for the track.
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