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I'm considering a sumo, but I need to be better informed on their capabilities. I don't really want to give up my Street Triple, but I could use some extra cash. There seems to be a wide variety of sumos... What should I look for around $3500?

It will be mainly a street bike. Do any of you guys do longish day/2 day rides? How are they at highway speeds? Should I be looking for a bigger motor?

Do they actually go off road well? Not talking MX course, I've never ridden dirt. Can I throw some knobbie tires on and ride trails?

Can they wheelie?

I'm no mechanic, so I'd like something that I can change the oil and ride. As low maintenance as possible.

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with those constraints I'd get a DR650 with some 70/30 tires.
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I have no idea what that means seriously though, I know nothing about sumos aside from the YouTube vids looking bad ass.

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I would not consider the DR a Sumo as much as it is an Enduro

Talk to Jay (Jammin) as I think he rode a DR around the fucking world or some shit but BH is right, if you want Hwy and 2 track trail use, the DR is a solid pig that yes, can wheelie

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a DR is a big fat dual sport, no bones about it. but that's basically what you need if you want something low maintenance, comfortable, highway capable, and trail capable. you won't find an SM that meets those requirements well.
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You just missed a DR650 sumo on ADV . Stay on SMJ everyday and see what comes around . Try road track and trail , the had a few DRZ-SM's , also Des Plaines Honda has a DRZ-SM with 200 miles .
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I find most dual sports to be on the ugly side. The trail part would only be a few times a year. Majority of the rides will be posing by sbux, wheelie rides with Steve, and some all day and two day trips. I love the Nuda 900, but not a fan of the price.

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I have a drz400sm thats really fun for screwing around on locally, it would be great to track day here and there or even race the NWGP series (for fun) . Its street legal and you could easily take a long cruise, I've done a few hundred miles a day. It is screaming at 95 with the stock gearing so highway riding is not that great. I have been off road on trails many times with stock rims. Its not a MX bike, but its capable (if you are). An extra wheelset would be great but $900. I think it can wheelie and best part is very little to maintain.
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run this kind of tire, i used to have my 2006 yz450 street legal and had a private little mx track i would ride at by my house, as long as it was dry its was fun with slicks. i bet with the tourannce tires it woulda hooked up even better.

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Husky sm450's and sm510s have a 6th gear that most don't and are street legal out of the box. Highway speeds aren't a problem but most have seats that have been designed by the same people that design torture chambers so I don't know about the long rides.
I know I was ready to walk around for a bit during the more frequent gas stops.

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How are the husky's on maintenance? I'm a fan. Can they do any trail riding?

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How are the husky's on maintenance? I'm a fan. Can they do any trail riding?
Yes - The Big CC Bikes will be good for this - KTM 690 or Husky 630 for "Trail" and for Hwy - My old 690 could run at 75-80 all day on the Hwy - Anything over 90 was a struggle as the front liked to dance a bit

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Looking at Roman's XR is like looking at a Race Ready Track bike vs a Stocker off the showroom floor - A LOT of work went into that Big Red Pig

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I'm considering a sumo, but I need to be better informed on their capabilities. I don't really want to give up my Street Triple, but I could use some extra cash. There seems to be a wide variety of sumos... What should I look for around $3500?

It will be mainly a street bike. Do any of you guys do longish day/2 day rides? How are they at highway speeds? Should I be looking for a bigger motor?

Do they actually go off road well? Not talking MX course, I've never ridden dirt. Can I throw some knobbie tires on and ride trails?

Can they wheelie?

I'm no mechanic, so I'd like something that I can change the oil and ride. As low maintenance as possible.
a bike that does everything does nothing well, long day/2 day rides on any sumo is not recomended for a number of reasons, a bigger bike/motor would help a bit ,, never ridden dirt and you wanna take a big 650 sumo off road? good luck, let me know how that works out.

get a drz400 and a 2nd set of wheels? probably your best option if you really want to ride dirt with a streetbike, but you could get a small/cheap older dirtbike ( XR200) for what the extra wheels will cost and get a real (big)sumo bike for the street, and really, how often will you change wheels? f you plan on riding to an off road area you will need to ride your knobbies all the way there and back and what if you have a mechanical? dirtbiking is best done with a truck

in reality a street sumo is a toy unless all you do is city riding, its just not very practical for much else in my experiance unless you get something big and exotic like a ktm 990SM or that nuda , and then you'd be nuts to take it off roading
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I only had my SM510 for a couple of seasons. It sounds dumb but it had so much low end torque off the line that it was hard to drive around the street at a legal speed and would tire you out quickly.
I suspect the 450 version would be better for this.
LBK Dave had the 450 version and he rode it at Waterman a few times, Dot's and all.
(same bike different crankshaft)

Maintenance... yes the intervals are more frequent

When I think about any highway rides I've taken on various SM's
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My ole man was selling our sumo. It was listed on here. Black drz400sm

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I'm still a sumo newb too, Pat. If you wanna ride my Husky 630, lemme know.

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Great points Elroy. I guess if I got the big sumo (500+ cc's), I probably wouldn't consider off roading it. I want to have as much fun as I do on my triumph, but save a few bucks. Off road would be a plus since I really want to do some dirt riding, but have $0 to spend.

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werent u the one who was getting into off road a year or so ago? u should have gone that route. cheap and will be a good learning experience. elroy is right.

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A nice DRZ400SM can be had at your budget. You're welcome to take mine for a ride when the weather gets nice. It's set up pretty nice with most of the usual aftermarket goodies.

The good: Super fun on the street. Wheelies. Low maintenance compared to a 450 MX bike based SuMo. Tons of aftermarket parts available. Wheelies. They make decent power with easy-ish mods (Carb, exhaust, cams, etc). I like mine for around town and shorter rides but find myself missing my R1 on longer trips. It's the perfect back and forth to work bike. You will find yourself doing wheelies away from every light, looking for shit to jump it off of, etc.

The bad: You will possibly lose your drivers' license (see wheelies and jumping off shit above). You will be wishing for a 6th gear on the highway. If riding with sportbikes you will be wishing for a 10th gear on the highway . They are not very comfortable for more than a couple hundred miles. I did a 500+ mile day on mine once and would not do it again without a different seat. I swear I thought there was going to be ass-blood on the seat when I got off it at the end of the day and my anus has been toughened by years of riding hard-seated KTMs offroad . I wouldn't want to ride a DRZ offroad. You'd be better off buying the DRZ for the street and a cheap 125 for offroad.
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werent u the one who was getting into off road a year or so ago? u should have gone that route. cheap and will be a good learning experience. elroy is right.
*shrug* I considered VCook's dirtbike a year or two ago, but that's only because it was $650.

I like the DRZ, but I like my speed too. Taking away the dirt aspect, do the husky 510/610/630's ever get down in $3500's? Are they that much faster than a DRZ?

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*shrug* I considered VCook's dirtbike a year or two ago, but that's only because it was $650.

I like the DRZ, but I like my speed too. Taking away the dirt aspect, do the husky 510/610/630's ever get down in $3500's? Are they that much faster than a DRZ?
Hella faster , but more money . You need to ride a DRZ and whatever else someone offers to get a feel . I use my DRZ for dirt and for sumo work . In the twisties , you'll have a hard time walking away from me on your Triple , the straights , different story .
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Ask Ryan that question - He was riding a DRZ and then jumped on my old 690 - 2 different worlds - Its like a Ninja 250 and a R6

In all actuality, the husky is cheaper to redo tops and bottom (4 stroke) than a Jap and that came straight from the guy who is working on mine now (TZR)

You can get all sorts of stuff for $3500 - SMJ has a bunch right now

Personally, I would go CRF or YZ 450 as they just seem more fun to me then the DRZ and about 50 lbs lighter too with more umph

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