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he's on a yamaha, those frames flex/ dont work for sumo, and they are slow
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Did you meet your 2012 goal of talking about how fast you are while in the office? And telling the hotties you got hurt racing?
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he's on a yamaha, those frames flex/ dont work for sumo, and they are slow
And Ducati's MotoGP bikes don't flex at all, look what it has done for them??

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he's on a yamaha, those frames flex/ dont work for sumo, and they are slow
Well, regardless of Mfgs, when a few guys whom I trust tell me that the SM Mfg Built Race Bikes perform better than MX Converts, I take their word - When i asked both why, they both came back and said Frame so, you can puff puff give and laugh all ya want at it but I trust 'em

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Did you meet your 2012 goal of talking about how fast you are while in the office? And telling the hotties you got hurt racing?
That goal was met in '94 and every year since with the birth of my "office" Career

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Well, regardless of Mfgs, when a few guys whom I trust tell me that the SM Mfg Built Race Bikes perform better than MX Converts, I take their word - When i asked both why, they both came back and said Frame so, you can puff puff give and laugh all ya want at it but I trust 'em
None of it will matter, sumoframe-mx frame! You could give me the Space Shuttle and throw me in the cockpit - i would still bury it into the ground at 4000mph as i dont know what the fuck im doing!

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3) WIN. if you aint first you're last!
Bill, thats crazy - You could be 2nd, you could be 3rd, hell, you could be 4th - I was high when I said that....

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Well, regardless of Mfgs, when a few guys whom I trust tell me that the SM Mfg Built Race Bikes perform better than MX Converts, I take their word - When i asked both why, they both came back and said Frame so, you can puff puff give and laugh all ya want at it but I trust 'em
i think you missed the joke
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i think you missed the joke
No Bright Bulb, I did not, hence my explanation - Geez, its like talking to 2nd graders......in the slow wing

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My goals for 2013:

1) Talk a lot on the internet over the next 4 months about how I'm going to get back out there this year and run with Zac and Tyler
2) Put calendar together with realistic shot of making it to 2 events (practice or races) per month from May to October
3) Develop plans and make parts to stiffen my MX based frame because it is clearly too flexible (or was this an SMR you sold me BH, I can't tell, the frame looks exactly the same as my old SX???)
4) Realize sometime around May that my calendar that I put together is completely unrealistic and not going to happen.
5) Get 3 MX ride days in and line up for the Club 57 GP Challenge in Sept completely out of shape and wonder why I get tired in 5 minutes.

...oh wait, that was 2011...and 2012. Yeah, I think I will do the same thing in 2013. Maybe try to catch up with you guys for a least 1 RA track day and 1 or 2 SRR Thursday evenings.

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3) Develop plans and make parts to stiffen my MX based frame because it is clearly too flexible (or was this an SMR you sold me BH, I can't tell, the frame looks exactly the same as my old SX???)
Fuck you clowns - When Phil said he wanted to sell his Yami for something else, i asked him "why" with all the Graves stuff on it he would want to do so - His response, 'it is still an MX Frame and with all the choices out there of purpose built SM bikes, i just think that in the end, for racing, the SM built frames provide better results, ridden a few Huskys and KTMs and out of the Box, they just feel better" (he said this about my '04 stocker after riding it in comparison to his stock Yami and even more so with my '09)

I also asked Roman what he felt about it after making the jump from his CRF to a SMR husky and he mentioned it took a little to get use to but his SMR felt better for sure once he learned how to ride it as he was use to riding only Honda for years.

So, when 2 guys who's opinion I trust and have actually compared the two tell me the same, i tend to believe it - I am by no mens comparing this to top riders on $50K bikes but when the cat who was looking to get into it asked 'why" I provided insight

Ya'll can kiss my ass

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they just need to buy the purple SM powerbands. much more bang for the buck than getting a bike with a purpose built SM frame.
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Sorry, just piling on. I haven't been able to get out and bust your chops in person so winter time potshots will have to do for now.

Just FYI, though the KTM's used one frame for '04 and '05 did an update to the frame in '06, however they use the same frame for all bikes SX / EXC / SMR. They do use differnt triples and suspension on the SMR's but not frame. Not sure if that carried forward to the special SMR they came out with in the last couple years.

I know that is the same for Husaberg, and I'm pretty sure the base Husky too, but I'm guessing your bike probably has some special stuff on it.

The Euro's due spend a lot of time stiffening things for their race bikes, so there is definitely something to be gained there, but most of the bikes that can be bought from a dealer didn't have anything special.

In '07 Loire got a couple special Berg factory bikes to run the Nationals, and they did all kinds of cool stuff to those frames. Way stiffer and they even cut off the steering stem, changed the angle, and added some gussets.

BTW, he got 2 podiums on that bike in '07 in AMA Pro, so contrary to your comments a while back about Monte Frank, Robert was actually the first to put a Berg on the podium in AMA.

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BTW, he got 2 podiums on that bike in '07 in AMA Pro, so contrary to your comments a while back about Monte Frank, Robert was actually the first to put a Berg on the podium in AMA.
Hmmmm

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Fuck you clowns - When Phil said he wanted to sell his Yami for something else, i asked him "why" with all the Graves stuff on it he would want to do so - His response, 'it is still an MX Frame and with all the choices out there of purpose built SM bikes, i just think that in the end, for racing, the SM built frames provide better results, ridden a few Huskys and KTMs and out of the Box, they just feel better" (he said this about my '04 stocker after riding it in comparison to his stock Yami and even more so with my '09)

I also asked Roman what he felt about it after making the jump from his CRF to a SMR husky and he mentioned it took a little to get use to but his SMR felt better for sure once he learned how to ride it as he was use to riding only Honda for years.

So, when 2 guys who's opinion I trust and have actually compared the two tell me the same, i tend to believe it - I am by no mens comparing this to top riders on $50K bikes but when the cat who was looking to get into it asked 'why" I provided insight

Ya'll can kiss my ass
Phill still wont beat tyler or Zac, none of us will ride these bikes to full potential that the pros do, how much quicker are your and romans lap times, im curious about that, you ripped some 58s on my yammie. friggin scott J with no more than 6 hrs of supermoto in his life was pulling high 54s and Brad Jerominski on scotts b grade sumo with shit brakes but brand new dunnies uks was pulling mid 55s with mx suspension and that was with only 45 total mins ever of sumo riding, by end of day avg 55s secs on the normal SBK asphalt only course - example of Chase and Lorie were running high 54s and low 55s - at our level its not going to matter.

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Phill still wont beat tyler or Zac, none of us will ride these bikes to full potential that the pros do, how much quicker are your and romans lap times, im curious about that, you ripped some 58s on my yammie. friggin scott J with no more than 6 hrs of supermoto in his life was pulling high 54s and Brad Jerominski on scotts b grade sumo with shit brakes but brand new dunnies uks was pulling mid 55s with mx suspension and that was with only 45 total mins ever of sumo riding, by end of day avg 55s secs on the normal SBK asphalt only course - example of Chase and Lorie were running high 54s and low 55s - at our level its not going to matter.
What you are talking about comes down to riders & skill - Zac is truly talented and Tyler has zero fear - All I ever said was if given the chance to spend the same amount of $$ on a bike, one being a purpose built SMR and one being an MX Convert, why would you NOT buy one that is built for SM? - When asked why I said this, I gave the results of the conversations I had with (2) guys we race with - When Phil rode my old '04 for the first time, i asked him what he thought in comparison to his Yami and he said "Out of the Box, the SM bikes are much better and blow away an MX convert" - After he rode my '09 he was amazed that it came from the factory this way - I know that is not a fair comparison as the RR is not a normal SM but he said it handles just as good if not better than him Yami with all the graves shit on it - Main diff on mine is the trips and swinger which Roman already added to his 510 as well

Fuck it - You guys are fast and all ride MX converts - I am slow and don't know shit and got lucky finding my RR - Heaven forbid you have a difference of opinion but this has been par for the corse with you cats since I got into this - "hey look, Blue skys" - "No Dumb ass, you are wrong, that is more of a Purple than blue and you don't know WTF you are talking about"

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Not sure if that carried forward to the special SMR they came out with in the last couple years.


BTW, he got 2 podiums on that bike in '07 in AMA Pro, so contrary to your comments a while back about Monte Frank, Robert was actually the first to put a Berg on the podium in AMA.
yep, SMR still uses the same frame as the SX on the '12 models



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What you are talking about comes down to riders & skill - Zac is truly talented and Tyler has zero fear - All I ever said was if given the chance to spend the same amount of $$ on a bike, one being a purpose built SMR and one being an MX Convert, why would you NOT buy one that is built for SM? - When asked why I said this, I gave the results of the conversations I had with (2) guys we race with - When Phil rode my old '04 for the first time, i asked him what he thought in comparison to his Yami and he said "Out of the Box, the SM bikes are much better and blow away an MX convert" - After he rode my '09 he was amazed that it came from the factory this way - I know that is not a fair comparison as the RR is not a normal SM but he said it handles just as good if not better than him Yami with all the graves shit on it - Main diff on mine is the trips and swinger which Roman already added to his 510 as well

Fuck it - You guys are fast and all ride MX converts - I am slow and don't know shit and got lucky finding my RR - Heaven forbid you have a difference of opinion but this has been par for the corse with you cats since I got into this - "hey look, Blue skys" - "No Dumb ass, you are wrong, that is more of a Purple than blue and you don't know WTF you are talking about"

Carry on ladies.....
Once I see laptimes from you that prove me otherwise its hard to belive this info. Do you have any laptimes from the same track and same track conditions? Not argueing with you but wouyld love to see the laptimes.
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Frank didn't start riding the Berg's until they came out with the 70-deg motor design in 09.....
Yeah, Monte was the first to get a podium on the 70 deg motor, but the way it was portrayed even in Cyclenews at the time was that he was the first overall on a Husaberg. Not true. Robert took 2nd in Unlimited in Rd 1 in '07 at St. Louis and 3rd at Rd 7 in Redmond, OR.

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http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...5540&year=2007

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...=2007&rtype=sm

..., but the links don't seem to be working, so you will either have to believe me, or go with the fact that what I am saying is no longer searchable on the internet, so it must not be true.

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Once I see laptimes from you that prove me otherwise its hard to belive this info. Do you have any laptimes from the same track and same track conditions? Not argueing with you but wouyld love to see the laptimes.
Nope - I was out most of the time with the new Bike and when i was back, my ribs were still broken and i had zero strength on my left side - The only thing I have to go off of is the day i broke my ribs, Ryan was behind me filming and said he had to work a bit to keep up with me on the RR where with the '04, he had to slow down just to stay behind me to film

The RR maybe puts out 5 more HP than the '04 but the Susp and Rims make the difference as it is all handling with that bike

And how is my own personal acct with other riders from what they told me "hard to believe"? - WTF do i have to gain by lieing about "he said she said"?

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming WOW, what a RIDE !!"

Last edited by Bug; 12-07-2012 at 02:58 PM.
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