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post #1 of 103 (permalink) Old 01-17-2012, 12:09 PM Thread Starter
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A suggestion..

Nick / Richard, have you guys thought of maybe adding a 4th group to the STT day? Such as an advanced-advanced group or I 1/2 etc..? With the discontinuation of the Nesba schedule there is going to be ALOT of ppl at the events and they will sell out quickly i'm sure (which in a way is good for you guys). I think it would:
A: Open the possibility for more riders per event, which equals more revenue
B: Less clutter throughout the groups and more open track.

Again its just a suggestion & maybe you've already thought of it, but 15 min sessions / 4 groups would be good.

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I've seen 4 groups at another org's trackday, and it seemed to work out well. It was two Intermediate groups though. There's probably more of a need for two middle groups than two Advanced groups.

I'm just going to sign up for whatever group is available, and have some fun. I had some good memories being the king of the I-group for a while. Start at the back, and just work your way through traffic. Fun Stuff

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I've seen 4 groups at another org's trackday, and it seemed to work out well. It was two Intermediate groups though. There's probably more of a need for two middle groups than two Advanced groups.

I'm just going to sign up for whatever group is available, and have some fun. I had some good memories being the king of the I-group for a while. Start at the back, and just work your way through traffic. Fun Stuff
so have I & it worked pretty well, and it didn't have to be advanced, i just used that as an example really.

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The downside to more groups, is less time. If you add a session on the end of the day, great, but chopping a 20 minute session to 15 minutes........ Now you have more bikes, more crashes, and waiting for the clean-up.

Although I'd prefer more groups to more people in a group. My $0.02
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I am okay with three groups, but when someone is riding (I) and way off line and clearly belongs in (N), move them there. I feel that is half the problem with crashes.
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It works great with Motovid but I don't think a lot of people would like the shorter sessions.

I personally like them for Motovid because I coach one group and ride in another

And good point on more bikes = more crashes = longer times to get back out on track.

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I already know the answer to this one as it has been said many times before by Nick on this forum. (the answer is no)

This is my take on it......

4 groups really helps out alot so that the real advance riders get to work on stuff alot easier that having every corner clogged up by riders who are just not there in there skills but sign up for A, also I is the biggest range of rider skill and helps out immensly when it is split into 2 groups.

Many people have said well if you are one of the fast guys you should be able to pass with no issues. Yes and no. When youhave to worry about passing road blocks in every corner it takes away from your rythem and it hard to get a clean lap in. Also ifyou have a light weight bike its not always possible to get the passing done in a easy manner every single time.

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Sounds like a good argument for a rigid level system, with bumps via evaluations by instructors.

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Sounds like a good argument for a rigid level system, with bumps via evaluations by instructors.
Thats crazy talk this is a STT forum not a NESBA forum
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I is the biggest range of rider skill and helps out immensly when it is split into 2 groups.
I would agree, being an I group guy myself not too long ago i remember that, as i said i didn't intend for advanced to be that group to be split it was an example.

I also see the argument of losing approx 35 mins in track time per day, but personally for me (and others may or may not agree) i would sacrafice 5 mins a session for a quality one, whether i'm an I group rider or an A group rider, i've been in groups that were crazy crowded and i know that the amount of hot pits i took well surpassed the 5 minute mark.

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Sounds like a good argument for a rigid level system, with bumps via evaluations by instructors.
lol.. I'M not gonna be the guy to suggest that one

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It's not a bad idea, but I don't think STT will ever go to 4 groups. It's been discussed in the past and made pretty clear that that wont happen.

I can't speak for the directors and ownership, but wanted to let you know this stuff does get discussed, including recognizing that there will be an influx of riders next season who are used to a different way of doing things. No business can survive if they don't recognize and deal with weak spots, so "comment cards" are certainly welcome.

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Well Hell then lets have an AARP group then ! Im all in !! LOL

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Ok, then I want the ladies group brought back again. (it was never a "group" it was a 10 minute ladies only/2up session during lunch but our own group would be cool.)

That brings us up to seven groups @ 8.5 minutes per group.

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It is going to be an interesting year to say the least with STT & former NESBA riders selling out probably every MidWest event on the schedule. Both groups are going to wish NESBA was still around to relieve the congestion.

On the plus side, it will be fun to meet new people and ride tracks other than RA, BHF, and all year. Plus, I'm trying to convince the girlfriend to bring her Ninja 500 to the track.

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Ok, then I want the ladies group brought back again. (it was never a "group" it was a 10 minute ladies only/2up session during lunch but our own group would be cool.)

That brings us up to seven groups @ 8.5 minutes per group.
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No shit, right? Being told once that I would have been bumped but it's raining, and the other that (I) was already full. So I started signing up for (I).
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they do, it's at Guantanamo Bay.
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Well Hell then lets have an AARP group then ! Im all in !! LOL
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It is going to be an interesting year to say the least with STT & former NESBA riders selling out probably every MidWest event on the schedule. Both groups are going to wish NESBA was still around to relieve the congestion.

On the plus side, it will be fun to meet new people and ride tracks other than RA, BHF, and all year. Plus, I'm trying to convince the girlfriend to bring her Ninja 500 to the track.
Yep, full grids are going to be the rule. And by all means, get your GF out there on the Ninja.

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I say just let them be...

STT has been around this long and been fine so there doesn't seem to be a problem with their business model.

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anyone remeber when STT use to be called sylvania superbike???
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anyone remeber when STT use to be called sylvania superbike???
Yeah that was the first "trackday" org around or at least that I heard of. Most of the pics on my FB from the old days are from Sylvania. That was when people didn't complain about groups, guys being faster or slower, worry about what tire to run, etc.

We just rode and had a blast!! I bet if I could find my old pics you are probably in one of the Steve LOL I remember taking pics of the Chitown Hustlers trailer and pits because I thought they were gangsta LOL

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It is going to be an interesting year to say the least with STT & former NESBA riders selling out probably every MidWest event on the schedule. Both groups are going to wish NESBA was still around to relieve the congestion.

On the plus side, it will be fun to meet new people and ride tracks other than RA, BHF, and all year. Plus, I'm trying to convince the girlfriend to bring her Ninja 500 to the track.
sold out track days just means more money to go racing for me

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I say just let them be...

STT has been around this long and been fine so there doesn't seem to be a problem with their business model.

No one questioned their business model, and for a while now they've shared track day options with other organization, now a major midwest provider is gone.

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In any case I say leave it as is. If you race you'll be faster than 90% of the yellow plates already, but there's only 1 yellow plate class.

Note. I am including myself in that 90%. Lol. We are the 90% so Occupy and Lap me.
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