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I agree with you but specifically targeting motorcyclists is illegal and wrong.
No it isnt, they have to set up the rules of the road block before hand and stick to them. If they say every 3 rd car gets stopped then every third car gets stopped, if they say it's for checking bike paper work then they check bike paperwork. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal.




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It's the end of the month, and the state pd has likely not written enough tickets, so they target bikes instead, knowing it's easy money.

Going around in circles in the parking lot at slow speeds does NOT make someone a skilled rider. Proof of insurance... photoshop anyone..?

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On Sunday, the Clifton Terrace check netted an arrest for DUI, 29 violations of classification citations, six no-insurance citations, two driver's license suspended/revoked citations, one expired registration citation and 30 motorcycles towed.

they issued 39 citations on sunday
1 DUI--needed to be arrested regardless of reason 2.5%
32 were licensing related 82%, dropping to 79% not counting registration
6 for insurance a whopping 15%


the majority of te issue here is unlicensed riders, which im not saying that having a license make you a qualified rider but... gotta play by the rules

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No it isnt, they have to set up the rules of the road block before hand and stick to them. If they say every 3 rd car gets stopped then every third car gets stopped, if they say it's for checking bike paper work then they check bike paperwork. Just because you don't like it, doesn't make it illegal.
Sorry Tony but Profiling based on vehicle type is illegal. This is different than having trucks use weigh stations since that is required by law. If they established areas and documented where those areas were and said that all motorcyclists traveling through would be subject to search and have to display proper paperwork, that would be one thing. Popping up roadblocks and saying that all bikes have to show their paper is Profiling and IS illegal.



As I've said before, they can't pull you over in your Z06 because you "look fast". That is not probable cause. The reality is that the police can make up pretty much anything they want and pull you over for it, but it is illegal and it is wrong for them to do.

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I think its fair that they get the violators. They target cars and trucks so I see nothing wrong with targeting bikes.

As for having the key when they tow it it doesn't really matter as long as your not a prick and lock the forks on them. When we impound bikes I don't even start them. The less I mess with them the better because I know how annal we all are about are bikes.
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Smartdrug, I don't see anything wrong with it. There is obviously precedent that this is perfectly legal. I'm also glad they do it because it gets unlicensed and uninsured motorists off the road.

If you're ever hit by an uninsured motorist (which I have been) and you come on the board complaining that you have to go to court to get them to pay your deductible and other expenses I'll link you to this thread.


And Mark (silentalero) you just called me a dumbass. I NEVER forget to carry my new insurance card because I keep it with the registration in the bike. Ziploc bag FTW wrapped up with the tool kit.

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Smartdrug, I don't see anything wrong with it. There is obviously precedent that this is perfectly legal. I'm also glad they do it because it gets unlicensed and uninsured motorists off the road.

If you're ever hit by an uninsured motorist (which I have been) and you come on the board complaining that you have to go to court to get them to pay your deductible and other expenses I'll link you to this thread.


And Mark (silentalero) you just called me a dumbass. I NEVER forget to carry my new insurance card because I keep it with the registration in the bike. Ziploc bag FTW wrapped up with the tool kit.
i mean the dumbasses who swear they never speed or violate any law. I'm licensed and insured and always carry my current card but i was saying in this instance would you get towed if you didnt have it on you? I could see them giving you a ticket and showing proof in court. But thats a bit extreme.

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Smartdrug, I don't see anything wrong with it. There is obviously precedent that this is perfectly legal. I'm also glad they do it because it gets unlicensed and uninsured motorists off the road.

If you're ever hit by an uninsured motorist (which I have been) and you come on the board complaining that you have to go to court to get them to pay your deductible and other expenses I'll link you to this thread.


And Mark (silentalero) you just called me a dumbass. I NEVER forget to carry my new insurance card because I keep it with the registration in the bike. Ziploc bag FTW wrapped up with the tool kit.
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It is wrong, as I said, they should be off the streets and it is a good thing that they were caught...

They should be off the street and should be made accountable for their fuck up. But there should be a better way of doing it that doesn't effect me as a legal motorcyclist.

I don't understand why some of you find this acceptable. Should they be able to search your vehicle for weapons simply because you have a FOID card? There just isn't probable cause to warrant being detained like that.

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i mean the dumbasses who swear they never speed or violate any law. I'm licensed and insured and always carry my current card but i was saying in this instance would you get towed if you didnt have it on you? I could see them giving you a ticket and showing proof in court. But thats a bit extreme.
ohhhh, those dumbasses. Ok, I'm not one of those. I've been caught before.

I see what you're saying and I will say I agree. No ins. card shouldn't be an automatic tow. I didn't think it was in this state.

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They should be off the street and should be made accountable for their fuck up. But there should be a better way of doing it that doesn't effect me as a legal motorcyclist.

I don't understand why some of you find this acceptable. Should they be able to search your vehicle for weapons simply because you have a FOID card? There just isn't probable cause to warrant being detained like that.

Just to see if I am following, you'd be ok if the checkpoints were pulling over all types of vehicles? You're saying that just pulling over motorcycles is the same as cops pulling over only convertables or only F-body cars, right? When you put it like that I can see your point. Honestly I don't have a counter.

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in this thread we briefly discussed a citation someone got at one of these stops overseas. I'm totally fine with the checkpoint stops, it's no different than the seat belt, sobriety checkpoints or pulling over trucks for weight checks. They just pick a classification to crack down on and do it, this way they can focus on one thing and do it right as opposed to pulling EVERYONE over and having to deal with everything at once.
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Just to see if I am following, you'd be ok if the checkpoints were pulling over all types of vehicles? You're saying that just pulling over motorcycles is the same as cops pulling over only convertables or only F-body cars, right? When you put it like that I can see your point. Honestly I don't have a counter.
If you knew that was part of owning a convertible or F-Body was that you would be subject to these searches, then yes. That's how it is with trucks over a certain weight, you weigh this much, you stop here, simple as that.

Nothing is set up like that for motorcycles, so why should we be singled out and made to answer at stops like this.

You all are viewing this as them seeing your paperwork and letting you go, I doubt it actually would play out like that. Once you're stopped, they'll make sure your license plate is at the exact specified angle, make sure your turn signals are stamped DOT, make sure your bike isn't in motion if your visor is up, aftermarket exhaust, etc. This is carte blanche for these guys to write you up for whatever they can find, after all the reason for these stops is revenue generation.

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in this thread we briefly discussed a citation someone got at one of these stops overseas. I'm totally fine with the checkpoint stops, it's no different than the seat belt, sobriety checkpoints or pulling over trucks for weight checks. They just pick a classification to crack down on and do it, this way they can focus on one thing and do it right as opposed to pulling EVERYONE over and having to deal with everything at once.
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I was ticketed recently for not having my insurance card on me. I did have insurance at the time. I was in my pickup truck. They didn't tow my truck. Why are they towing bikes for the same offence??? BTW, the ticket was dismissed by the judge when I showed him the card proving I had insurance at the time.

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I was ticketed recently for not having my insurance card on me. I did have insurance at the time. I was in my pickup truck. They didn't tow my truck. Why are they towing bikes for the same offence??? BTW, the ticket was dismissed by the judge when I showed him the card proving I had insurance at the time.
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I was ticketed recently for not having my insurance card on me. I did have insurance at the time. I was in my pickup truck. They didn't tow my truck. Why are they towing bikes for the same offence??? BTW, the ticket was dismissed by the judge when I showed him the card proving I had insurance at the time.
+1, that's my point here, this isn't on the level.

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I believe the bikes towed were more for the lack of an M endorsement than the lack of insurance, I could be mistaken though. Personally I'd put up a HELL of a fight if they wanted to tow my bike and I wasn't being detained, I'd call someone to get my truck and come get the bike (and me).
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So far all I can find out from the State Police is that the only bikes that were towed were towed for not having an "M" or "L" class license. The other violations like not having the insurance card or improper display were just ticketed and NOT towed. If you don't have an "M or L" classifacation you cannot ride it away I was told. They also let a few of the motorcyclists that lived in the area have someone come and pick up the bike before it was towed.
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So far all I can find out from the State Police is that the only bikes that were towed were towed for not having an "M" or "L" class license. The other violations like not having the insurance card or improper display were just ticketed and NOT towed. If you don't have an "M or L" classifacation you cannot ride it away I was told. They also let a few of the motorcyclists that lived in the area have someone come and pick up the bike before it was towed.
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You get pulled over simply because you're on a bike and that's not wrong?

How about if you're black?

or in a 1974 Pinto with non-matching body panels?

It is wrong, as I said, they should be off the streets and it is a good thing that they were caught, but to do something like this to purposefully find motorcyclists is wrong. What they should do is not allow you to register a bike in your name without the proper classifications.
Absolutely nothing wrong with this

Showing your papers proves your legal... and it is vital to keeping society under nice firm control

btw.. studies show % wise black people commit more crimes and are statistically more likely to be caught and convicted of a crime..
Seems like a no brainer to check them out for Driving While Black.

Your best bet would be to also pull over all latinos and make sure they arent illegal mexicans or central/south americans...

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Too many posts to +1 everyone I agree with, but in short, I think stuff like this is not only a good idea but should be done more often.
When I was stationed down in KY, they had entire roads blocked off and were checking for DUI's on Friday nights once or twice a month. Didn't matter who you were, they would stop you and make you blow.
Why shouldn't they check to make sure we have our endorsements and insurance?
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I was ticketed recently for not having my insurance card on me. I did have insurance at the time. I was in my pickup truck. They didn't tow my truck. Why are they towing bikes for the same offence??? BTW, the ticket was dismissed by the judge when I showed him the card proving I had insurance at the time.
Officer choice. If you were ticketed for no insurance and drove away for the seen to have a accident, The officer is part to blame.

If it was me they hit and had no insurance and I found out a few miles earlier he was ticketed I would go after the driver, officer, and town.

I had a no insurance ticket driving my wifes car. Cops stated they could tow it, my respones was it is insured I have a card brought over, Popo- Thats fine, but I could to it if I wanted.

To many uninsured and fake insurance cards out there. Personally I feel no proof. Get it off the road. You are responsible to have your papers at all times, (Go to some other countrys and tell the authorities your papers are at the hotel, they don't care) Just my
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I leave work and hit up RT 83 and North, and at least once every two months there is a road block for "click it or ticket".

Two days ago, troopers lined up ON FOOT walking down congested traffic at the lights and just pointed and pulled people over for seat belt tickets. There were five troopers to the side parkinglot as a "staging" for violators to receive their little yellow slips.
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Too many posts to +1 everyone I agree with, but in short, I think stuff like this is not only a good idea but should be done more often.
When I was stationed down in KY, they had entire roads blocked off and were checking for DUI's on Friday nights once or twice a month. Didn't matter who you were, they would stop you and make you blow.
Why shouldn't they check to make sure we have our endorsements and insurance?
I for one hate having to pay an extra $50/yr for un-insured/ under-insured motorists.
WHY? See gconsier's post above.
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Officer choice. If you were ticketed for no insurance and drove away for the seen to have a accident, The officer is part to blame.

If it was me they hit and had no insurance and I found out a few miles earlier he was ticketed I would go after the driver, officer, and town.

I had a no insurance ticket driving my wifes car. Cops stated they could tow it, my respones was it is insured I have a card brought over, Popo- Thats fine, but I could to it if I wanted.

To many uninsured and fake insurance cards out there. Personally I feel no proof. Get it off the road. You are responsible to have your papers at all times, (Go to some other countrys and tell the authorities your papers are at the hotel, they don't care) Just my

I'm not a fan of Zero Tolerance societies. Besides, if the insurance is mandatory then a record of it should be made readily available to the officer on his squad computer. He has access to everything else, why not that? Like you said, cards can be faked.

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You get pulled over simply because you're on a bike and that's not wrong?

How about if you're black?

or in a 1974 Pinto with non-matching body panels?

It is wrong, as I said, they should be off the streets and it is a good thing that they were caught, but to do something like this to purposefully find motorcyclists is wrong. What they should do is not allow you to register a bike in your name without the proper classifications.
I'm with you. I don't think this should happen because there is no probable cause, but the courts have ruled again and again that these "safety check" roadblocks are legal.

Unless/Until someone successfully challenges these mass stops in court, we will have to deal with them. Support your local ACLU.

To get any towed vehicle back, they look up the registration based on the plate. If your DL/ID matches the plate registration, you can retrieve the vehicle. And no, they don't need the key to tow you bike. However, if I were the cops and knew that you didn't have a M class license, I would wait outside the pound and re-pinch you when you came out riding your reclaimed bike without a license.

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More power to them. Get more morons off the road, we have plenty to spare.

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More power to them. Get more morons off the road, we have plenty to spare.
Where are we supposed to ride if we can't ride on the road?

(Yes, I just called myself a moron. )
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When you comin over anyhow?!

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I for one hate having to pay an extra $50/yr for un-insured/ under-insured motorists.
Do me a favor then, call you ins company and tell them you demand your ins goes lower since they have these road blocks up. Do you honestly think these road blocks make a different?

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