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post #61 of 76 (permalink) Old 10-02-2008, 12:11 PM
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For all you guys crying about picking on motorcyclists, lets not forget:

On the days they are doing click it or ticket - its only cars/trucks, so they are getting singled out.

You use the road too. do you want some idiot on a motorcycle who doesnt know how to ride, who never even got certified to ride in a parking lot (thats basically the DMV test) sharing the road with you? - I think not.

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post #62 of 76 (permalink) Old 10-02-2008, 01:39 PM
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You get pulled over simply because you're on a bike and that's not wrong?

How about if you're black?

or in a 1974 Pinto with non-matching body panels?

It is wrong, as I said, they should be off the streets and it is a good thing that they were caught, but to do something like this to purposefully find motorcyclists is wrong. What they should do is not allow you to register a bike in your name without the proper classifications.
I agree with you but, it is not a wright to drive a motor vehicle it is a
privaledge . We do need to control the uninsured people so it's fine as long
you have all your paper work up to date
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I agree with you but, it is not a wright to drive a motor vehicle it is a
privaledge . We do need to control the uninsured people so it's fine as long
you have all your paper work up to date
So you get pulled over at a roadblock once or twice a month. About 20 people get pulled over and 10 get their cars towed and get a ticket. great we got 10, but this isn't a solution. What about where the problem starting at? What about car dealers/motorcycle dealers ask for a license before selling them a car or bike? Or what about DMV actually making sure the people registering cars have insurance/a valid DL?
the roadblock isn't a solution, why don't they fix the problem at the source. People are being sold cars and bikes when they don't have valid identifcation too.

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post #64 of 76 (permalink) Old 10-09-2008, 08:56 PM
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Also I've never heard of roadblocks where cops are pulling over cars to check for a valid DL and insurance. I know they do roadblocks for DUI and seatbelt, but not for checking for DL and insurance. Seems kind of lobsided doesn't it?

* I carry my proof of insurance + registration in my car and bike at all times in the trunk.

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If person registering their vehicle doesn't have an endorsement for that vehicle - deny the registration. It's not foolproof, but sure would deter more riders without m class than those random blocks. But, than where would the police get their revenue I mean, shit, fighting real crime isn't as profitable...
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It's a catch 22. How's the new rider supposed to practice if they can't have a street legal bike to practice on (ie. no plate/registration).
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It's a catch 22. How's the new rider supposed to practice if they can't have a street legal bike to practice on (ie. no plate/registration).
How about the old fashioned way. Put them in class. The fact that you DON'T have to take at least MSF before getting your license is a joke. License itself don't mean shit, it just makes you legal.
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Hell, I rode for YEARS without an "M" class and had only myself to blame - You don't play by the rules and eventually you will get caught - Just ask Mr Capone
me too, and i did get caught

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I agree with you but specifically targeting motorcyclists is illegal and wrong.
Actually the U.S. Supreme Court held that because operating a vehicle is a privilege, NOT a right, bestowed on you by the state that requires you to comply to a host of rules, regulations and laws, the state is within its right to target ANY vehicle or group of vehicles for safety checks and checks to see if the operators are in complience.
Think back to those thrilling days of yesteryear when you were taking drivers ed...remember how they told you that you were subject to a traffic stop at any time and that by applying for and accepting a license you were agreeing to be subject to the stop?
Now...if you are perfectly legal and have all of the pertinent paperwork and the officers want to search your car or want you to open your trunk...that's where probable cause comes in.
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Actually the U.S. Supreme Court held that because operating a vehicle is a privilege, NOT a right, bestowed on you by the state that requires you to comply to a host of rules, regulations and laws, the state is within its right to target ANY vehicle or group of vehicles for safety checks and checks to see if the operators are in complience.
Think back to those thrilling days of yesteryear when you were taking drivers ed...remember how they told you that you were subject to a traffic stop at any time and that by applying for and accepting a license you were agreeing to be subject to the stop?
Now...if you are perfectly legal and have all of the pertinent paperwork and the officers want to search your car or want you to open your trunk...that's where probable cause comes in.
I don't have the time to research this now but I do believe that they must have a reason to pull you over in the first place for a stop, whether or not you, by virtue of having a license, have agreed to comply.

As far as the probable cause, it's as simple as denying them the right to check your car. If they get to the point where they ask you to submit to the search and you deny them, they didn't have probable cause in the first place and if they forcibly search your vehicle, when it comes to court, the police are basically SOL (if they had to ask permission, they never had the right to search in the first place, therefore anything they find, even if confiscated, is inadmissible as evidence).

Let's have a public defender weigh in here, ohh Rob!!

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I don't have the exact wording of the court ruling, but it was ruled on by the court when they were presented the case and asked to rule on the seat belt and/or sobriety checkpoints that they set up around the holidays. ( I don't think it was from a case in or from a complaint in Illinois, but because it was the U.S. Court, it covered the entire country) AND...operating a vehicle is a privilege, not a right and one of the basics ( as taught to all new drivers) is that when you are directed by a police officer in traffic, it is incumbant on you to obey his direction...that is what I am basing my reply to you on...in other words, just the fact that you are operating a vehicle gives them probable cause to make sure you are operating the vehicle in compliance with the law...it's really that simple.
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Can't find anything in here but driving, riding ia a Previlage GRANTED to you by the state your licensed in. Plain & simple.

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Stop yer whining.....



We all know the rules ..... M endorsement, Insurance Card and valid registration.


If you don't have these three things, don't leave the garage, you are illegal.



While it sucks to the extreme to get popped this way, the riders did this to themselves.


I agree that the laws of the state should be enforced, whether it's a truck
only inspection, click-it or ticket car only or motorcycle only just obey the
law and you won't have an issue.


Let's not even get on "valid display of license plates" again.....


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You get pulled over simply because you're on a bike and that's not wrong?

How about if you're black?

or in a 1974 Pinto with non-matching body panels?

It is wrong, as I said, they should be off the streets and it is a good thing that they were caught, but to do something like this to purposefully find motorcyclists is wrong. What they should do is not allow you to register a bike in your name without the proper classifications.
The Bike requires special endoresments so no not wrong.

Driving/Biking while black is BS

Get those fuckers in Pinto's what if I have road rage and need to rear end someone?

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