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Drivers license-Scooters-dispel the myth

I've spoken to several people who seem to think that a 50cc scooter does not require a motorcycle license, also someone more recently who thought that under 150 didn't require a license(beyond auto). As I read it you need a class L for up to 150 and an M for everything else, am I right?

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I've spoken to several people who seem to think that a 50cc scooter does not require a motorcycle license, also someone more recently who thought that under 150 didn't require a license(beyond auto). As I read it you need a class L for up to 150 and an M for everything else, am I right?

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you are right.

sub 50cc d class
50-150cc l class
150cc+ m classe

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But I don't see anywhere that it says sub 50cc are okay for D class, only that L class is up to 150

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the il dmv site makes it sounds like you need the L class for any motor driven cycle under 150cc. from here: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/pu...rr_chap01.html

CLASS A – Any combination of motor vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 lbs. or more, providing that the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 lbs. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles. (A CDL is generally required.)
CLASS B – Any single motor vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs. or more or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 lbs. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles. (A CDL is generally required.)
CLASS C – Any motor vehicle with a GVWR of more than 16,000 lbs. but less than 26,001 lbs.; or any such vehicle towing another with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less; or any such vehicle designed to carry 16 or more passengers, including the driver or hazardous materials that require placarding. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles.
CLASS D – Any motor vehicle with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs. or less, except those vehicles requiring a class A, B, C, L or M license.
CLASS L – Any motor-driven cycle with less than 150 cc displacement.
CLASS M – Any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle.

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When Mandy took her written test for her M license, I watched a guy on a 49cc scooter take his L driving test.
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Sorry but what is an L class and how do you get that?

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the il dmv site makes it sounds like you need the L class for any motor driven cycle under 150cc. from here: http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/pu...rr_chap01.htmlCLASS L Any motor-driven cycle with less than 150 cc displacement.
I wonder if this changed, you used to be able to get by with a D class for sub 50cc

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if youve got an M class already it over rules an L

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I wonder if this changed, you used to be able to get by with a D class for sub 50cc
that was my understand as well... not a bad thing at least they have to somewhat prove they can "ride" it

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I know M > L but what's involved in trying to get your L...first time I've heard of having to pass a test to ride a scooter.

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Dave13 does not mess with Piercedqt78 scooter. True story.

You take the same test that the under 500cc motorcycles take. FYI, if you have a scooter 150cc and over, you can take an M test on a scooter.
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Nah I have my M so I was just curious in case my folks wanted to get a scooter or something...I made a little edit for ya Dave

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I'm not a total bitch. Dave can ride the scooter all he wants. He says I can ride the Duc, but knows that would never happen. I'm waaaay to cool for that thing.

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Around April when I got my Class M, the motorcycle handbook stated that a motorized pedacycle, aka moped, that met certain criteria does not require a class L or class M.

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The certain criteria that makes a vehicle a motorized pedacycle instead of a motor driven cycle are:

A motorized pedacycle is a motor driven cycle with speeds attainable in one mile of 30mph or less.
Equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less.
If an internal combustion engine is used, the displacement shall not exceed 50cc.
Power drive system shall not require the operator to shift gears.

All four criteria must be met, otherwise it is a motor driven cycle and a class L is required. [of course if it is under 150cc]

The operator of a motorized pedacycle (moped) may operate the pedacycle with any current, valid driver's license of any classification.
That is page 44 from the motorcycle handbook of Illinois. I'm not sure if any laws has changed, but if anyone you know has gotten a ticket for requiring a class L license for their moped this is proof enough to bring up to court to possibly get the charge waived. You can easily get a copy of the handbook at the DMV front counter... at least I got one before taking my permit test

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Depending on where you hang out, I know in WI that you could drive a moped (50cc or less, speed limited from the factory to 30mph) with just a D. They had moped plates etc. I just moved a few months ago so not sure exactly how it works here. WI also didn't differentiate with the 150ccs, but if you took a test (or MSF) on a trike or scooter, you were restricted to that type of vehicle when you got endorsed.
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49cc or less no M or L required.
50 to 149 L license required.
150 + M license required.

Moped Operators — Motorized pedalcycles, often called mopeds, are
low-speed, two-wheeled vehicles. They can be pedaled like a bicycle
or driven like a motorcycle. Mopeds are intended for limited use on
public roadways. Moped drivers must carry a valid driver’s license
and obey all signs, signals and traffic laws. If the moped meets all four
criteria listed on page 44, the moped operator is not required to
obtain a motor-driven cycle classification.

• A motorized pedacycle is a motor-driven cycle with speeds
attainable in one mile of 30 mph or less.
• Equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less.
• If an internal combustion engine is used, the dispacement shall
not exceed 50cc.
• Power drive system shall not require the operator to shift gears.
All four criteria must be met, otherwise it is a Motor-Driven Cycle
and a Class L is required.
The operator of a Motorized Pedacycle (Moped) may operate the
pedacycle with any current, valid driver’s license of any classification.

Above is why Zuma's and Ruckus etc are 49cc and restricted from the factory.

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A 49cc zuma and ruckus have less than 2 bhp?
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if i remember correctly the zuma is like 5

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Not like the police carry dynos with them now do they?

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if i remember correctly the zuma is like 5
Then according to the law, a zuma would require a L license. Plotts statement is (no offense) about not needing a m or l to operate one of these vehicles. Where a leo might let you slide or not understand the law themselves, an insurance company will certainly know the law if they are trying to deny a claim.

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i never carried an M until 2007, bought the zuma in 04 insurance never said anything about it, though i never claimed on it either

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Hm, my brother is about to get his L. I'm trying to convince him to get an apr rs 125 2-stroke
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Reading the 2008 ILL Rules of the Road book, a scooter is not a Moped, there for you need atleast an L for a scooter.
But I'm not a lawyer, nor a LEO so this is really just my reading of it.

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Looking at the Illinois Compiled Statutes...

The definitions for motorcyles and subsets of motorcycles have increasingly stringent requirements.

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(625 ILCS 5/1‑147) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑147)
Sec. 1‑147. Motorcycle.
Every motor vehicle having a seat or saddle for the use of the rider and designed to travel on not more than 3 wheels in contact with the ground, but excluding a tractor.
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(625 ILCS 5/1‑145.001) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑148)
Sec. 1‑145.001. Motor driven cycle. Every motorcycle and every motor scooter with less than 150 cubic centimeter piston displacement including motorized pedalcycles.
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(625 ILCS 5/1‑148.2) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑148.2)
Sec. 1‑148.2. Motorized Pedalcycle. A motorized pedalcycle is a motor‑driven cycle whose speed attainable in one mile is 30 mph or less, which is equipped with a motor that produces 2 brake horsepower or less. If an internal combustion engine is used, the displacement shall not exceed 50 cubic centimeter displacement and the power drive system shall not require the operator to shift gears.
Motorcycle > Motor Driven Cycle > Motorized Pedalcycle.

All motorized pedalcycles are by definition motor driven cycles and motorcycles. But only a few motor driven cycles and motorcycles are motorized pedalcycles.

Same for motor driven cycles. They are all motorcycles, but only a few motorcycles are motor driven cycles.

Then when it comes to license endorsements (which I was for some reason unable to find defined in ILCS so I used the Rules of the Road) the requirements work back up.

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* CLASS A – Any combination of motor vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 lbs. or more, providing that the vehicle being towed is in excess of 10,000 lbs. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles. (A CDL is generally required.)
* CLASS B – Any single motor vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 lbs. or more or any such vehicle towing another not in excess of 10,000 lbs. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles. (A CDL is generally required.)
* CLASS C – Any motor vehicle with a GVWR of more than 16,000 lbs. but less than 26,001 lbs.; or any such vehicle towing another with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs. or less; or any such vehicle designed to carry 16 or more passengers, including the driver or hazardous materials that require placarding. Does not include motorcycles or motor-driven cycles.
* CLASS D – Any motor vehicle with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs. or less, except those vehicles requiring a class A, B, C, L or M license.
* CLASS L – Any motor-driven cycle with less than 150 cc displacement.
* CLASS M – Any motorcycle or motor-driven cycle.
A class D,C,B, or A endorsement permits you to operate a motorized pedalcycle. A class L endorsement permits you to operate any motor driven cycle. A class M endorsement permits you to operate any motorcycle.



The test for L and M is nearly identical. Aside from the obvious size of motor difference, the only difference I know of is on the U-turn. L has a narrower turn requirement. There may be differences in the grading of other skills, but the grading requirements aren't published.

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