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Driving with low tire pressure

I put about 75 miles on a brand new low profile all-season tire that only had 22 lbs of pressure in it. Is the tire shot?

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no. if it had 10psi it might be. the sidewall isnt jacked up, is it?
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no. if it had 10psi it might be. the sidewall isnt jacked up, is it?
To tell you the truth I am not sure which tire it was. I thought the low tire pressure warning light was the traction control light. After about 75 miles I noticed that it was in fact not the traction control. Took it to the dealer and they filled it up, but I didn't ask which tire it was. I did a visual on all the tires and the side walls all look fine.

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Sidewalls good = Tires good. May notice some excessive wear in the future, but are good for now.

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Not with today's tires. They r made to run on a lower pressure because all rims leak. Period. What I do, and others will say I'm nuts for doing it, is this.

I NEVER go off what the recommended pressure from the factory of the car manufacturer. I go by what's actually the max PSI on the tire. Then I drop down 5 PSI. It does 2 things. It improves fuel economy, and handling aspects. So say your car comes with Goodyear tires (which I think all of them are the biggest pieces or shit tires ever made from a manufacturer)...so your car is set to these specs from the manufacturer.

But I now drive on bf goodrich on my ride. Set the psi to what the car man specs were at 35psi. Saw my mpg drop by 5%-10% at least. I then looked at the max psi on the tire, and it was 43psi max. So I bumped it back to 38psi and my fuel economy went right back to where it was. And my handling increased also. At 5 less psi from max psi, it allows movement when the tires warm up. Also, nitrogen filled tires really do seem to hold pressure better with less leaking. But others may disagree. But that's what I do. And I'll stick by it for life

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75 miles won't show. Do it repetedly and you might have some issues. Drive it like ya stole it!

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Not with today's tires. They r made to run on a lower pressure because all rims leak. Period. What I do, and others will say I'm nuts for doing it, is this.

I NEVER go off what the recommended pressure from the factory of the car manufacturer. I go by what's actually the max PSI on the tire. Then I drop down 5 PSI. It does 2 things. It improves fuel economy, and handling aspects. So say your car comes with Goodyear tires (which I think all of them are the biggest pieces or shit tires ever made from a manufacturer)...so your car is set to these specs from the manufacturer.

But I now drive on bf goodrich on my ride. Set the psi to what the car man specs were at 35psi. Saw my mpg drop by 5%-10% at least. I then looked at the max psi on the tire, and it was 43psi max. So I bumped it back to 38psi and my fuel economy went right back to where it was. And my handling increased also. At 5 less psi from max psi, it allows movement when the tires warm up. Also, nitrogen filled tires really do seem to hold pressure better with less leaking. But others may disagree. But that's what I do. And I'll stick by it for life
you know that pressure is set by engineers that dedicate their whole lives to designing and building these cars? they factor vehicle weight, suspension stiffness and a bunch of other variables to get to that optimal pressure. running higher than recommended pressure wears your tires and suspension out faster, not to mention rides like shit. i find it hard to believe that you are gaining 5%-10% at least by jacking your tires up 3psi

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also, not all rims leak. i believe the pressure lost over time is actually thru the tire itself.=
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you know that pressure is set by engineers that dedicate their whole lives to designing and building these cars? they factor vehicle weight, suspension stiffness and a bunch of other variables to get to that optimal pressure. running higher than recommended pressure wears your tires and suspension out faster, not to mention rides like shit. i find it hard to believe that you are gaining 5%-10% at least by jacking your tires up 3psi

This is for OEM tires. Pressures for different tires varies.

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Although the pic is correct for the tire wear. :-)

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This is for OEM tires. Pressures for different tires varies.
Actually, it doesn't. The sticker is for the recommended size on that vehicle. Tire company doesnt really matter.
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also, not all rims leak. i believe the pressure lost over time is actually thru the tire itself.=
majority of the leaks are from the bead. But you have the tire people remoun the tire with some sealer.


but i agree with you that thunderstruck doesn't know what hes talking about.





you can't really inspect the inside, but if the sidewalls look fine on both sides, i wouldn't worry too much. but you can have tread seperationlike those suvs back in the day.
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I would not run the max psi for a tire. Especially if you set that pressure with the tire being cold.

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at my work (not retail) we do 5 under max psi

we also use soap not bead sealer

i have low profile tires and a bubble on the sidewall since last winter. i drove it to atlanta and all around. i'm sure my tires are also low and i drive over a few train tracks everyday.

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Not with today's tires. They r made to run on a lower pressure because all rims leak. Period.
no.. they are not made to run at lower pressures. they are just built better that tires 20 years ago.

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Seriously Mike??? Do you also hypermill? I've went through many a set of tires and run them at mfg spec and have never had any issues with uneven tire wear or driveablity. If you inflate your tires to 5 below tire max then you're probably running at max after they warm up. That's just a recipe for blowout disaster an unnecessarily harsh ride. Improved gas mileage is not a worthy compromise for impending disaster.
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Put a scope on each of them. It's the only way to be sure. Also, since there's a leak - it failed.

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I always thought proper pressure is related to load. The max psi is based on the load of the tire. You only run the number on the sidewall when you are carrying near the max load.

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id agree with the above saying not to go so high mike, 5under max cold will be over max when warmed up

I have a habit of running my cars tires at 5 psi over the mfg plate, I also NEVER use the gas station filler gauge, those things get the living hell beat out of them
running the tires at well above recommended pressure give negligible increases in milage but running low really kills milage

when i did a few autocross events i ran the tires at the max pressure but that was simple to reduce sidewall squirm, the runs were about a minute long and there was probably 30 mins between runs, at the end of the day i let air out to put the pressure back to normal

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what temperature range is it really when they say 'cold tire pressure' ?
-273 c

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^ fail.

At -273C you couldn't measure tire pressure with a gauge, as the atoms of the air wouldn't move at all. Of course, there would be no leaking from the rim, either. And the vehicle wouldn't move anyway.

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^ fail.

At -273C you couldn't measure tire pressure with a gauge, as the atoms of the air wouldn't move at all. Of course, there would be no leaking from the rim, either. And the vehicle wouldn't move anyway.
haha technically its -273.15C for absolute zero.

That 0.15C makes it a balmy almost absotlute zero... Although it would probably take some time for the gauge to read.

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The issue is I am trying to decide if I want to press them to replace the tire. Will I have issues down the road?

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The issue is I am trying to decide if I want to press them to replace the tire. Will I have issues down the road?
if there's no damage to the sidewall, the tire should be fine. if there's not a problem now, one isnt going to develop down the road. all the lettering is there on the sidewall, and no groove worn in, right?
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if there's no damage to the sidewall, the tire should be fine. if there's not a problem now, one isnt going to develop down the road. all the lettering is there on the sidewall, and no groove worn in, right?
correct, thx brotha

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IMHO no 75 miles in cold weather at 22psi did nothing adverse to the tire, the chances of overheating damage is low cause its cold out

Overheating is probably the prime cause of tire destruction when run at low pressure outside of impact/ object damage

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Put a scope on each of them. It's the only way to be sure. Also, since there's a leak - it failed.

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I found that my two tire gauges were 5 psi apart from each other. Which were both 5 psi off of a good calibrated one. So I was running 50 psi instead of 40. So does any of this really matter?

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