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Anyone know about the BMW E39 M5's?

Iím collecting some info about the 1998-2003 BMW M5ís for a buddy. Has anyone here owned one of these cars? Heís looking for a 2001-2003 for the navigation and the angel eyes and most likely, lower miles. Howís the realistic reliability? I donít think heís planning on racing it or anything, just wants the power, suspension, and 6 speed that come with the M5. Anything he should be watching out for or avoiding the car in general?

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Im not too familiar wit the E39 you can find a lot of info on www.M5Board.com

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Im not too familiar wit the E39 you can find a lot of info on www.M5Board.com
Yeah, Iíve done some looking around on there but with everyone being a bit biased so itís kind of hard to filter through to BMW fanboy stuff or ragging on their car/service prices/ single issue they blew out of proportion to see if what they come across are real issues or just complaints. I personally owned a 2002 540i a while back and the only issue I ran into was a thermostat problem once that left me stranded down town. Other than that, it was a pretty reliable car. Iím hoping someone around here can compare it to something else theyíve owned or driven to see their thoughts.

Have you ever driven the older V8 M5 or just the new body style version?

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just the new E60. My friend is flying to New York saturday to drive back an E39 so this weekend will be the first time I drive one. Sorry I couldn't add anything

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Overall , the E39's are solid cars . If he is set on a M5 , try to get one with some service history . They are known for consuming oil . Service and maintenance can be pricey .

Side note ,stay away from the 540 . If he is mechanical , I think the best setup is a E39 with a LS2 swap.
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In general anything BMW has a solid engine, ok tranny, and a clutch from hell.

That's my experience anyways.

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In general anything BMW has a solid engine, ok tranny, and a clutch from hell.

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Thats a good way to put it . Some are better than others .
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Why would you recommend staying away from the 540? And is the clutch hell to operate or to replace?

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Why would you recommend staying away from the 540? And is the clutch hell to operate or to replace?
The BMW V-8 always had a flaw . Starting with cylinder coating issues to the later problem with the oil separator going bad . Its a $50 part that costs about $2000 to get to and replace , not to mention that they will start puking oil from just about every seal there is . This might not be true for every one , but its true for most. I think the best E39 combo is a 6cyl with a manual , plus you can do a swap later on . The LS2 swap will kill an M5 in performance and maintenance costs .
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What do you guys know about the E60 M5?

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What do you guys know about the E60 M5?
I never drove one , but it should be a hell of a car with the monster motor in it . A forum member has one , maybe he will chime in with a few comments .
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I've had a 2006 and now a 2010 E60. If you're thinking of an E60 you should get an 08 or newer because that's the year that they started tweaking a lot of stuff and fixing it. 2010 is the best and most expensive option because they fixed the gearbox and other things

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Now that I'm not on my phone I can type. 2006: iDrive very laggy and buggy, no initial support for iPod/music device. Rolled out updates and support for iPod/music device which was very limited and laggy/buggy. iDrive control wheel has haptic feedback, so when you are at the end of a list the knob/controller stops turning as easily by giving more turn resistance. Engine had some minor problems, transmission had major problems including smg pump failure causing the car to get stuck in gear. The iDrive and other electronics were buggy/laggy during the 06 M/Y, and the engine/transmission also had issues.. there were eventually official recalls for other vehicles. The end of the 06 M/Y (the last few months of that years production) were better than the prior months production. This interior in this car is in "style/version 1". The four side doors are a certain design for this year. The window controls are on a slant and the door handles are slanted downwards. Where the heated seats/active seat bolster buttons are located.. they are all on one row.

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Do not get a 2006 M/Y under any circumstance.
I noticed that the 2006 M5s were fairly cheap and I've been pondering getting one. Is the reason they are so cheap the engine/transmission issues?

What about maintenance, how expensive does maintenance run on the M5? How does it compare to say an M3?

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I noticed that the 2006 M5s were fairly cheap and I've been pondering getting one. Is the reason they are so cheap the engine/transmission issues?

What about maintenance, how expensive does maintenance run on the M5? How does it compare to say an M3?
I dont think expensive is enough to describe it . Try bigger words . Get an E46 M3 ?
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It could be that and also because there's not a big market for these cars. My car had 1900 miles on the clock and they sold it to me for $21k less than it was new

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just the new E60. My friend is flying to New York saturday to drive back an E39 so this weekend will be the first time I drive one. Sorry I couldn't add anything
Was your friend picking up an E39 M5 or just an E39? Make it back alright?

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An M5 he made it back alright. It was a full Dinan S2 package in Monte Carlo blue I think. Great car. Over 35k in parts and he paid 28k for it

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An M5 he made it back alright. It was a full Dinan S2 package in Monte Carlo blue I think. Great car. Over 35k in parts and he paid 28k for it
Did you get a chance to drive it? Any thoughts?

Oh, and love that color - great choice!

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Very slick car. Sounds good not too loud with the Dinan exhaust but very torquey. Only drove it for five minutes and didn't really hit but I could tell it has lots of pull down low. with the mods it's said to have 470 at the crank. Itll be an interesting duel.

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My E39 was a good car, but there was a lot of maintenance to keep up with. Anything of that age is going to have worn bushings etc that need to be replaced, and they aren't cheap on the bmw. Also, cooling systems on those cars was never very good and is a costly repair when it goes out so check to see when the last time it was done.

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My E39 was a good car, but there was a lot of maintenance to keep up with. Anything of that age is going to have worn bushings etc that need to be replaced, and they aren't cheap on the bmw. Also, cooling systems on those cars was never very good and is a costly repair when it goes out so check to see when the last time it was done.
Did you have an M5 or was it a different E39?

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Did you have an M5 or was it a different E39?
528i sport, not the M5

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