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screw claybar - don't waste your time

Decided it's time to stop neglecting my car and get rid of all the industrial fallout in the paint considering it hasn't even been washed since before the winter (anyone with a white car knows what i'm talking about). Heard good things about claybar systems so I picked up the Meguire's kit... what a waste of money. I scrubbed my bumber and around the wheel wells for hours and it hardly worked. Found some rubbing compound in the garage and it cleared up the crap instantly.

Went back to Autozone and they wouldn't take it back bc it's opened. Now I need to go through Meguire's to get a refund which I'm probably too lazy to do - even though it wouldn't take much longer than typing up this stupid thread anyway

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Ok first of all you should always clay bar a vehicle before waxing. Second it depends on the aggressiveness of the clay you are using. I have a product called IronX which will remove it without any kind of agitation. Before I knew of this product it would take me hours to remove the fallout. Iron X you spray on, let it dwell for 5 minutes and wipe off and it all comes right off.
Here is a car I did that had some fallout. The purple is the reaction with the iron.
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I know I am kind of far from you, but if you wanna bring the car by I can get rid of it for you in a few minutes.

This product is expensive but well worth it if you do multiple cars.

And everyone PLEASE make sure you clay your car because any surface contaminants in your paint will just scratch the hell out of your car when it gets on the wax applicator sponge.
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I use Griot's claybar with their speed shine after washing the car and it makes a huge difference. The paint feels so smooth. Must be the bar you bought.

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If I'm going to take the time to wash a car I clay it to. If you want a flat finish free of swirl marks and other crap this step is a must. Your experience is not typical.

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Claying removes the wax, so you need to re apply it. I would only suggest claying 2 times a year because depending on the clay and claylube it does cause some marring and swirling
Claying after every wash is unneeded.
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Claying removes the wax, so you need to re apply it. I would only suggest claying 2 times a year because depending on the clay and claylube it does cause some marring and swirling
Claying after every wash is unneeded.
guess how often i wash a car.

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it hasn't even been washed since before the winter (anyone with a white car knows what i'm talking about).
I've used claybar with great results. Of course I wash my car more than twice a year, which might be some of your problem with the product.

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two coats of Plexus, buff, done.

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two coats of Plexus, buff, done.
You know that's just for plastic, right? What do you use on your paint?
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You know that's just for plastic, right? What do you use on your paint?
No it was created for airplanes, completely safe for clear coat. They just market it as a plastic cleaner. Try it, spray some of that shit on, wipe it off and buff. If you do it in the light you can see all those fine containments smear and wipe away. You have to buff it to get the shine. Just wiping it off will leave a haze.

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No it was created for airplanes, completely safe for clear coat. They just market it as a plastic cleaner. Try it, spray some of that shit on, wipe it off and buff. If you do it in the light you can see all those fine containments smear and wipe away.
Never heard of it used on paint and I don't know any detailers that have used it on paint. Do you apply something for protection?
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Never heard of it used on paint and I don't know any detailers that have used it on paint. Do you apply something for protection?
No just the plexus. You're the expert, grab a can and try it. I am interested to see if you like the results.

I used it on my mercedes for 4 years and other merc owners always asked me how I kept it so black and shiny.

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No just the plexus. You're the expert, grab a can and try it. I am interested to see if you like the results.

I used it on my mercedes for 4 years and other merc owners always asked me how I kept it so black and shiny.
I was just wondering because I can't find any info on it being used on paint. I'm searching the detail boards and i'm just finding info on it used to clean platic.
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I was just wondering because I can't find any info on it being used on paint. I'm searching the detail boards and i'm just finding info on it used to clean platic.
Before I started using it, i sent the company emails to confirm.

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although rubbing compound did the trick, i'll have to check out the ironx product in the future. thanks!

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One bad experience where you probably didn't use the product correctly and ALL clay bars are a scam?
why would i be dumb enough to have 2 bad experiences? insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results... or some shit like that, right? it didn't work the first time, after i used it correctly, so back to meguiar's it goes.

anyway, the meguiar's kit didn't work for my intended purpose. rubbing compound did - really well. i wasted a lot of time trying to make the clay bar do its thing. maybe i was a little hard on all clay bars but at least now i have a few alternate products to try and hopefully no one goes to autozone to pick up one of their kits thinking it'll remove all the orange spots on their car. it won't.

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Did you really use rubbing compound?
I think you were too impatient for the claybar. Sometimes it's taken me 2 hours to clay a car due to all the fall out. One swipe will not remove it. You need to go over it many times.
I believe the clay kit sold in stores is a medium grade clay and I always use a very fine grade on customers cars and i've always been able to remove all of it.
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no it was created for airplanes, completely safe for clear coat. They just market it as a plastic cleaner.
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"specifically, for cleaning and protecting aircraft windshields and painted surfaces."

So yeah looks like they chose to market it as a plastic cleaner, but it's safe for clear coated/painted surfaces.

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So...motorcycle plastics don't have clear over the paint?

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Did you really use rubbing compound?
I think you were too impatient for the claybar. Sometimes it's taken me 2 hours to clay a car due to all the fall out. One swipe will not remove it. You need to go over it many times.
I believe the clay kit sold in stores is a medium grade clay and I always use a very fine grade on customers cars and i've always been able to remove all of it.
took me about an hour to do the rear bumper alone and it only got rid of maybe half the fallout. it wasn't due to a lack of effort, that's for sure. maybe it's just the kits available in stores, i dunno. what's wrong with rubbing compound, too harsh?

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Rubbing compound is very abrasive and is equivalent to a fine grade sandpaper. You need to follow it up with a polish. Sounds like you have a light colored car so it's probably harder to see, but its probably hazy/cloudy if you look at it directly in the sun or put a halogeon light on it.

If you look at my detail thread, I posted a link at the bottom to some cars I did a few months ago. The white truck, I think it was an equinox had the back hatch completely covered in fallout. It took me a few hours just to do the back hatch (this is before I picked up IronX)
A lot of people tell me "Oh well my car is only a few years old, so it will be easy". Sometimes those are actually the worst. A lot of cars are transported on trains and the brake dust from the trains land on the paint and bond to it. Then if the car has never been detailed between the rail dust and the brake dust it builds up. Mostly around the rear hatch, behind wheel wells and the lower panels. Most people don't even see it, but when I detail I look very closely at the paint and notice every imperfection.
When you buy a new car I think you should clay it and seal it right away.
Another thing is they actually make "Coatings" for cars now. They are like an extra clear coat for your car and you don't have to wax again because they last the life of the car.
Most waxes typically last 3 weeks. The stuff I use lasts 6 months or more.

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can you write a thread on how you are suppose to wash a car and what stuff to use. then get into when to apply polishing waxes, pre wax cleaners etc...
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can you write a thread on how you are suppose to wash a car and what stuff to use. then get into when to apply polishing waxes, pre wax cleaners etc...
Are you being serious?
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can you write a thread on how you are suppose to wash a car and what stuff to use. then get into when to apply polishing waxes, pre wax cleaners etc...
Hey monkey moron. It's simple. Water n soap, but never use dishwashing detergent as it removes your wax. Use a simple car wash soap. Use a high speed blaster to knock off any stuff on paint.

The when washing a car, wash from TOP and move down. Constantly rinse off your mitt/towel to remove crap off it, then place back into bucket adding new suds/cleaner. Then again, rince from top to bottom. It will remove rest of crap. Too bad u can't b washed away. Moron

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Hey monkey moron. It's simple. Water n soap, but never use dishwashing detergent as it removes your wax. Use a simple car wash soap. Use a high speed blaster to knock off any stuff on paint.

The when washing a car, wash from TOP and move down. Constantly rinse off your mitt/towel to remove crap off it, then place back into bucket adding new suds/cleaner. Then again, rince from top to bottom. It will remove rest of crap. Too bad u can't b washed away. Moron
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something with the type of products you use, and when you use each type of product.


I seen the threads in the other forum on how to use the fiberclothes the correct way n stuff.


when to use the claybar, prewax cleaner, remove tar/sap/bugs

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Hey monkey moron. It's simple. Water n soap, but never use dishwashing detergent as it removes your wax. Use a simple car wash soap. Use a high speed blaster to knock off any stuff on paint.

The when washing a car, wash from TOP and move down. Constantly rinse off your mitt/towel to remove crap off it, then place back into bucket adding new suds/cleaner. Then again, rince from top to bottom. It will remove rest of crap. Too bad u can't b washed away. Moron

You failed in what I was asking for. And you missed a lot of technique in washing a vehicle. Go back at replacing carbs because you don't know how to tune them.
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