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Ford 3.6L EcoBoost???

I was looking at new trucks today and the specs on the Ford F-150 with the EcoBoost V-6 "sounds" good, but I wanted to see what others know about it.

Have you towed with it?

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It tows more than mine with the 5.4 and I really wanted to get into the 2011 I was looking at. It's gotten nothing but great reviews from what I could find. A friend of mine has a friend who bought one and towed a enclosed trailer with 4 quads fully loaded and didn't have any problems at all.

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I am totally talking out of my ass, but I would assume in flat Illinois that it would be fine. If you are towing a large trailer up long hills, it could be more of a problem since the turbos and plumbing would not have time to cool down so you may experience some heat soak by the top of the hill. That being said, my Volvo towed my little trailer fine through the hills of TN, and that is much older turbo technology than the new stuff from Ford so who knows.

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I am totally talking out of my ass, but I would assume in flat Illinois that it would be fine. If you are towing a large trailer up long hills, it could be more of a problem since the turbos and plumbing would not have time to cool down so you may experience some heat soak by the top of the hill. That being said, my Volvo towed my little trailer fine through the hills of TN, and that is much older turbo technology than the new stuff from Ford so who knows.
+1 . I would be concerned about cooling down the turbo's after rolling in the mountains . If you let it idle down after towing , I think you would be ok . My neighbors kid just bought one and loves it .
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When you look at the torque/HP curves, it beats out every other brand with similar engines.

I've always been a Chevy Silverado person, but I can't deny the features of the F-150 XLT.


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It would be fine. What we pull, it won't even sweat. Your fuel mileage change trailer to no trailer will drop maybe 2-3 mpg I'd guess. Just a guess.

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When you look at the torque/HP curves, it beats out every other brand with similar engines.

I've always been a Chevy Silverado person, but I can't deny the features of the F-150 XLT.

I'm a huge chevy guy. But I can't stand that they don't have solid axles on their trucks anymore.




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Thanks everybody. At least I know it won't be a bad choice if I go with Ford.

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I wish ford made an Avalanche style truck with that setup. I love my avalanche, but would really love to have a twin turbo setup like that. especially with what the aftermarket is more than likely ramming up to do, I'm sure we will be seeing 1000 horsepower F-150's in the next couple years, with just a tuner and an air filter.




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My co-worker bought one few months ago and loves it. Check out the Eco Boost Torture Test on YouTube, you'll be impressed.
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I don't know about the Ford specifically but this design has had issues when it gets high milage (Same design as the VW /Audi) Ford knew about these issues going in and suposedly designed around them with Cam/ign timing.

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Due to the fuel being injected directly into the cylinder (instead of the intake manifold) The typical practice of recirculating the oil gasses through the intake manifold would cause deposits to accumulate in the intake tracts and on the back side of the intake valves due to the fuel not being present to wash them out.

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I don't know about the Ford specifically but this design has had issues when it gets high milage (Same design as the VW /Audi) Ford knew about these issues going in and suposedly designed around them with Cam/ign timing.

It goes kind of like this.
Due to the fuel being injected directly into the cylinder (instead of the intake manifold) The typical practice of recirculating the oil gasses through the intake manifold would cause deposits to accumulate in the intake tracts and on the back side of the intake valves due to the fuel not being present to wash them out.

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Not sure if I buy that. Everything is going direct injection - including anything that is running cylinder deactivation like the Chevy's. DI just happens to make a bigger difference in FI'd vehicles because it's easier to modulate the fuel when oxygen levels very so drastically. DI is in all new big engines so the manufacturers can be CAFE standards. And timing would only affect what happens after the valve, not before it...unless the valves are still open when combustion starts.

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I don't have one, just posting some research we found as my buddie is looking at a new Ford truck this year, Maybe Ford figured out, regardless I think the forum link is worth researching if you are spending new vehicle money.
Maybe google up GDI (Gasoline Direct Injection) and deposits, again No first hand experience with this specific engine.


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I don't know about the Ford specifically but this design has had issues when it gets high milage (Same design as the VW /Audi) Ford knew about these issues going in and suposedly designed around them with Cam/ign timing.

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There may be some more info in the subforum here
http://fordf150ecoboostforum.com/ind...al-discussion/

Ive seen motorcycles and cars where the fuel is introduced before the valves..... and the valves still have deposits.

oil seeping past the valve seals
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cam timing and or ignition timing
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Not sure if I buy that. Everything is going direct injection - including anything that is running cylinder deactivation like the Chevy's. DI just happens to make a bigger difference in FI'd vehicles because it's easier to modulate the fuel when oxygen levels very so drastically. DI is in all new big engines so the manufacturers can be CAFE standards. And timing would only affect what happens after the valve, not before it...unless the valves are still open when combustion starts.
Not everything with cylinder deactivation has direct injection. The chevy trucks don't and the Hemis don't either.
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Ive seen motorcycles and cars where the fuel is introduced before the valves..... and the valves still have deposits.

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Carbon deposits on the intake valves are a much bigger problem in GDI engines because you don't have the detergents in the fuel coming in contact with the back of valve to keep it clean. I haven't seen any of it in person yet because most of the GDI cars are too new to come into my work yet but I went to a class on GDI and they did talk about it. I'll see if I still have the book here. If I remember right it went into detail about carbon deposits.
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Carbon deposits on the intake valves are a much bigger problem in GDI engines because you don't have the detergents in the fuel coming in contact with the back of valve to keep it clean. I haven't seen any of it in person yet because most of the GDI cars are too new to come into my work yet but I went to a class on GDI and they did talk about it. I'll see if I still have the book here. If I remember right it went into detail about carbon deposits.
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I was looking at new trucks today and the specs on the Ford F-150 with the EcoBoost V-6 "sounds" good, but I wanted to see what others know about it.

Have you towed with it?

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Perfect timing...this just came up over the weekend. My wife's grandfather goes through a truck a year (at least, seriously). Well, I guess he went through 3 in a year because of the EcoBoost.

BOTTOM LINE: If you have to go up and down hills, and I'm talking terrain like Wisconsin hills, look elsewhere. He said the thing would sputter, cough and shift all over itself in dealing with the elevation changes.

I guess the small dealership up there had like 5 of them returned within a few months with the exact same complaint.

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Perfect timing...this just came up over the weekend. My wife's grandfather goes through a truck a year (at least, seriously). Well, I guess he went through 3 in a year because of the EcoBoost.

BOTTOM LINE: If you have to go up and down hills, and I'm talking terrain like Wisconsin hills, look elsewhere. He said the thing would sputter, cough and shift all over itself in dealing with the elevation changes.

I guess the small dealership up there had like 5 of them returned within a few months with the exact same complaint.

FYI.

Not calling bullshit but I'd have to guess that this is a problem specific to a handful of the powerplants that this dealer got or possibly bad gas (all filled up at the same station type deal). There's no way Ford is going to bring a power plant to market without elevation tests far greater than the mighty mountains of Wisconsin.

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Not calling bullshit but I'd have to guess that this is a problem specific to a handful of the powerplants that this dealer got or possibly bad gas (all filled up at the same station type deal). There's no way Ford is going to bring a power plant to market without elevation tests far greater than the mighty mountains of Wisconsin.
It's become a major issue up there. This was a topic of conversation for probably a half hour Saturday. I have no direct experience with it, just what all of the guys up that way were saying. They all returned them. Hey I love Fords! ...just mentioning what I heard

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After a little research, it's an engine related problem that certain people are effected by but has zero to do with mountains/hills.

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Okie Dokie. Word from the guys that owned it was the varying strain on the engine upon incline/decline was "confusing" the eco-boost, causing it to shift or change power delivery constantly.

The exact words were along the line of "if you're driving on flat roads it's perfect".

It was bad enough that he sold the thing back to the dealer for something like a $6k loss.

Again, I'm not trying to be anti-anything here. Just sharing what I was told

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It's definitely an issue that needs to be addressed, I wouldn't write it off just yet though.


I just went to Ford's site to price these guys out... holy balls are trucks expensive these days.

Moderately equipped XLT Ecoboost 4x4 - $40k
Moderately equipped XLT F250 Diesel 4x4 - $47k - that's where my money would be between the two. Before tuning it's at 400HP and 800 lbs/ft.

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Wow. Yeah I wouldn't rule it out either...seems like a great concept, especially for the flatlanders down here!

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My good friend back in NM had the same problem towing her horse trailer with her Ford. Flat ground it was fine, but in the mountains it would die.

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I don't know turbos but would an altitude change effect the F/A ratio enough to throw her off if the tune were not flexible enough?

How about the position of the fuel pump causing starvation when on a 10%+ grade?

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