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Vintage Racing/ Track Days?

does anybody have any info on any events, races, around here? wisconsin, indiana? anywhere around here? considering buying a cb750 but i would really like to spend some track time with it. i already have a street bike.
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Look up AHRMA for racing, and Big Bob from ChiVinMoto sometimes organizes a vintage trackday session with PTT

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Hey, I know this thread is about a week and a half old, but I would add that you should also check into WERA vintage racing. They have classes for almost as many bikes as AHRMA.
AHRMA has events at Gratten, South Haven, Road America and Mid-Ohio.
Big Bob's track days are for vintage only machines and he's had them at Blackhawk and the track in Joliet. If you PM me with your email address I'll have Big Bob contact you.
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I would be interested in vintage bike racing, except I am too worried about my CB either falling apart from the stress or crashing and blowing through all the $$$ I put into it
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I would be interested in vintage bike racing, except I am too worried about my CB either falling apart from the stress or crashing and blowing through all the $$$ I put into it

Honda CB's of ALL displacements are very popular for vintage racing because they are so reliable.
Did you put all that money and time into it to park it and admire it or to use it as it was intended to be used...Think of all the guys who are racing priceless Indians and HD's, or Velocettes, AJS' and BSA GoldStars, or Triumph Tigers & Bonnevilles and other bikes that fetch more in basketcase condition than your CB would as it sits today!
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I know several guys who have built and are racing old CB's you should talk to.
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It would take 2 grenades to blow that Honda engine. Buy sqrlys bike, strip off all the pretty stuff, and race that. I bought my project bike strictly to race. Less $$$ and more fun.
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Which CB are you talking about? Four or a twin cylinder? DOHC or SOHC? 350, 400, 450, 500, 550, 750, 900? You could still run the vintage bike in Ultralightweight Superbike at CCS events too.

AHRMA generally has more purist rules with 18" wheels for more classic and formula programs of the early CB's. WERA is kind of open, but they don't race in Wisconsin at Road America.

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...AHRMA generally has more purist rules with 18" wheels for more classic and formula programs of the early CB's...

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Depending on the class you intend to race in, AHRMA rules are the easiest to comply with because they demand bikes to be "as raced" in the period in which the bike was most popular. They even have a "Historic production" class that is pretty much a stock class that is broken down as heavyweight and lightweight ( CB 350, 350F, 400F, & 450 all are lightweight) The 18" rim diameter is a minimum diameter requirement to keep racers from mounting modern type 16" wheels.
The biggest restrictions in regards to wheels is rim width and tires. Rim widths are all "as equipped" and the list of eligible tires is extensive and very available...stock equipment would never fall out of AHRMA rules.
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The largest portion of AHRMA racing is not historic production.

Historic production is just that. Very, very basic stuff that deals with very production based stuff. Yeah, it is a good way to get started, but one can't race in that class forever. Most riders even go ahead and build for period modified classes.

In historic production, you're gonna run stock wheels. 19 fronts with 18 rears often from some bikes of the period. Yeah, some will have 18's front and rear. You can't run modern production 17" wheels until you're into the "superbike" period class.

Period modified classes have names that designate the period. Grand Prix, Forumla, Superbike, etc. all designate periods. Over the years, there have been very specific opportunities for changes ranging from not allowing specific carburetors, pipe configurations, caliper replacements and so on. So, you've got to really read an AHRMA rule book to understand where one might be restricted.

It's a neat program. Don't believe they raced at Gingerman in 2008.

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True that Historic Production is not all of what AHRMA road racing is, my point was that the rules are not difficult to comply with in any class, and that there are classes where one can compete in with a stock bike.
I personally don't compete in the road race program. I'm qualified to and carry a license for road race, but, at heart I'm a dirt guy and always will be. I have many friends who do road race and they are mostly very happy with AHRMA's rules structure. AHRMA's rules encourage competition and participation.
As I understand it, AHRMA left Gingerman off the schedule because the opportunity to pick up a date at Road America. It is also being rumored that the AHRMA RA event is going to expand into a full blown AHRMA happening with Vintage and Post-Vintage MX, Trials, a swap meet & concourse vintage bike show and possibly a Cross Country & Flat Track in conjunction with the event. Similar to Mid-Ohio's and Barber's AHRMA events.
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I understand, Dan.

I raced a CB400F and a couple of CB750's (single overhead cam models, so they were Formula bikes rather than being later model's used in Superbike), and there were some very specific rules that were just, well, strange. Some of those issues have been worked out. As an exmaple, at one time, a WERA vintage bike in Formula 500 was not legal in AHRMA Formula 500, but the AHRMA bike was legal in WERA Formula 500.

To use a linear example, a WERA "superstock" bike conforms to CCS "supersport" rules, but the open opportunities will not allow a CCS Supersport bike built to the rules to compete in WERA Superstock.

A "Honda vintage racer" is a pretty broad topic, and I'd be very interested in knowing which model was being considered. A lot of the twins are run in Sportsman, which is really competitive.


I'm a road guy, as you know, but I'd still like to do an AHRMA MX or flat track. Don't see it happening soon, but I can always dream.

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