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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 03-06-2009, 05:29 PM Thread Starter
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music related...bwoke acoustic :(

well some dumba** put my nice acoustic behind a couch...with a recliner!

didn't know it was back that till I sit down and pop the recliner back and hear a crack

think it's even possible to fix this?? even if it is fixe-able, doubt the sound quality would be as good as it was..

uploading pics now...facing the guitar, crack running 8" vertically if guitar is stood up, halfway between strings and edge maybe. crack goes all the way through the front wood.


sucks because it wasn't crap, not hugely expensive but still cost $400

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well..i can't really tell a difference if i get my fingers in and push up (hah hah)..except that it's slightly lower in tune since the body isn't as strong (strings compressing body more maybe)


here's some pics of the damage..
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Willie Nelson has played the same guitar for over 50 years and has worn a rather large whole in it - I think you will be okay - I don't know for a fact but my guess would be you're fine
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damn...that's crazy!

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It is possible to repair it. You could try to glue it and support from the inside while it's drying. You can also brace behind it and glue it. The face of the guitar is what resonates and gives the guitar it's main tonal feel. It's possible that you won't hear the difference, but the only way to know is to fix it. Being with grain might be better then cross grain, but it's such a long crack. The best acoustic repair I've seen is from Minstrel Music in Niles. I don't know honestly. There are other magic ways of fixing cracks like this with glue, large metal plates and strong magnets as well. It would depend on what it would cost to fix and how much you like it as to whether it is worth it. I would try to fix it for you, but only as the last resort before pitching it.

I do know how you feel. I have a guitar that I built myself. It's a sweet blue sunburst telecaster repica with all chrome hardware and twin humbuckers. I've got a thinline tele neck on it with over sized strings. Though I do want to change the pickups. I had it out a few weeks ago. Set it down next to me to stand up so I could move it and head to the other room. Someone sits down, hits the recliner and foot support swings out and launched it across the room. Not very happy! It got a small chip in the finish. But of course on the face. Why can't these damages ever happen on the back.

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wonder how I can get something in there to push against it?..

I don't really think i'll have someone fix it, no money for that right now. What type of glue do you think i should use?...wood glue? maybe some sort of epoxy would hold up better?

taking the strings off right now to relieve all the pressure on that crack though...you can tell they're helping(well..hurting if anything ) pull the piece down as when i pushed it up it was an audible rise in pitch from the strings tightening up.

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Well, a luthier would repair this with really long C clamps and some teflon strips and your basic resin based wood glue.

The C clamps with a deep throat so they can reach inside the sound hole and reach the crack.

The teflon (or derlin or some other glue resistant) strips are so the clamp(s) can press against the glue/wood without bonding to the glue.

And wood glue is used because wood glue is typically water based and will evaporate leaving the resin behind. You don't want a heavy glue that will deaden the resonance of the guitar.

Willie Nelson said that when the hole in his guitar (the guitar he named Trigger after Roy Rodgers horse I believe) gets bad enough to make the guitar unplayable, he will retire.

That said, his guitar is all sorts of character and tone that comes with age and the wood drying out. Some say that the wood "learns" to vibrate through use...take that or leave it if you please.

So yeah, it's repairable, but will never look perfect. Will it sound any different? Probably, but not terribly much. I think changing strings for fresh ones would effect the sound more.

So I'd glue the crack just so it doesn't get larger with age and not worry about it.

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Well, a luthier would repair this with really long C clamps and some teflon strips and your basic resin based wood glue.

The C clamps with a deep throat so they can reach inside the sound hole and reach the crack.

The teflon (or derlin or some other glue resistant) strips are so the clamp(s) can press against the glue/wood without bonding to the glue.

And wood glue is used because wood glue is typically water based and will evaporate leaving the resin behind. You don't want a heavy glue that will deaden the resonance of the guitar.

Willie Nelson said that when the hole in his guitar (the guitar he named Trigger after Roy Rodgers horse I believe) gets bad enough to make the guitar unplayable, he will retire.

That said, his guitar is all sorts of character and tone that comes with age and the wood drying out. Some say that the wood "learns" to vibrate through use...take that or leave it if you please.

So yeah, it's repairable, but will never look perfect. Will it sound any different? Probably, but not terribly much. I think changing strings for fresh ones would effect the sound more.

So I'd glue the crack just so it doesn't get larger with age and not worry about it.
awesome, thanks for the help!! rep to you good sir

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