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Ashwin and what happened

I posted it in the original thread but it didnt hit the front page. Now other dont have to read throught to find out the events that took place

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I was one of the first on the scene and remained until Ashwin's body was taken away. I'm still torn up inside and I'm skipping today's ride so I can gather my thoughts and post this. Gotta get this off my chest, and you guys deserve some details.

Here's what happened, as far as I know:

Around 10:30am, heading towards the Dragon on 28, we approached a blind 10mph right hander. Ash was leading our group of about 8 riders as Proto had gone back to look for Loki and Poly. MoMan was next behind Ash, but far enough away that none of us saw the crash happen. Based on the skid marks on the road, we know that Ash was at the apex of the turn when he went down. He low sided and was already down and sliding inside his lane when he slid into an oncoming car. It was a white Nissan Z-something or other. The driver was an older guy and from the skid marks we can tell he was not going very fast and he was in his lane. Thankfully he was not hurt and no one else was in his car. The car struck Ash and his bike and from what the driver told me the car pushed Ash and his bike up to 15 feet down the road.

When we came around the corner, we immediately pulled over and went to Ash. Some, like KBacon, went to stop traffic. Ash's legs were pinned under the front left of the car, but his torso was free of the car. There was an undercover police car there immediately, so I believe he was behind the driver of the white car. Luckily he was able to call for help on his radio because none of us could get a cell signal. After we learned it would be 25 minutes before help arrived, CPR was started. Shaboinkaboink, Buzz, and Riceburner performed CPR for a good 20 minutes straight until the ambulance arrived, but it was a lost cause. :'( From the moment we got to him, they could not detect a pulse. Never-the-less, they continued pressing on with the CPR. When the ambulance arrived, the medics hooked up a machine to Ash's chest but could detect no life signs. Apparently it had been too long and they did not even try to shock him with paddles. Up to that point, I had been holding out hope. I just couldn't believe Ash was gone, and my heart sunk when they brought out the white sheet to cover him.

We believe that Ash died instantly, either when he hit the ground or when he hit the car. His gear wasn't in bad shape, and his helmet was only slightly rashed. We are speculating that his neck might have broken, but we may never know. Shaboinkaboink said his neck was pretty loose when they had to move him. I'm sorry for being graphic, but I know some of you will want to know how this happened.

Unfortunately we'll never know what caused the crash. Was Ash going too fast? Did something break his concentration? Did his tires slip on something? We simply don't know. The night before the accident Ash and a couple of us were having a conversation about racing with a former racer who was here at the lodge. Ash specifically mentioned he only ever rode at about 60% when off the race track. Meaning, he didn't ride the street like it was a racetrack. Knowing that, I'm sure Ash felt completely within his abilities riding into that turn.

Let us take his death as a warning to us all. Even though we may feel we are riding well below our abilities, the street is a dangerous place with many more dangers than are found on a racetrack. PLEASE everyone, keep this in mind and treat every blind corner with great caution!

Like so many of you, I've lost a friend. We rode together last year and chatted a few times in person and on the forums, and I'm deeply saddened by his passing.

Loki was understandably very upset when he arrived, but he gathered himself together quickly and pressed on. He worked with the officers at the scene to get them the information they needed. He was surprisingly strong through it all, no doubt because of his officer training.

Buzz, Shaboinkaboink, and Riceburner should be commended for providing CPR. They worked tirelessly until the ambulance arrived.

The group agreed that Ash would have wanted us to continue with the meet, so after a regroup at the lodge we went riding yesterday afternoon. We passed the accident scene and Loki asked that we all honk our horns in salute, which we did. Loki has asked that this be a regular occurrence from now on when passing that corner.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I'm still having a hard time believing it. One minute, he was with us, and the next he was gone. A number of us all had the same thoughts when we first saw him: Oh God he's down! He's just resting a moment before he gets up. Why isn't he moving? Is he unconscious? Is he dead?!? No! He's just unconscious...

I wish that had been the case. I just couldn't believe he could be dead. I kept thinking he'd come back at any moment: my prayers would be answered, or the CPR would work, or the ambulance would be able to shock him back to life.

I'm sorry this post is so fractured, but my thoughts are all over the place and I don't think I can organize it better.

Be careful out there everyone! Please.

Rest in Peace Ashwin

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This is pretty much what his Father told me happened, but not in so much detail. One thing that puts me a little at ease is that they believe he didn't suffer. He was also with a good friend that loved him and was able to be by his side when this happened. Loki is a local police officer and a really nice guy that Ashwin was friends with.

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This is pretty much what his Father told me happened, but not in so much detail. One thing that puts me a little at ease is that they believe he didn't suffer. He was also with a good friend that loved him and was able to be by his side when this happened. Loki is a local police officer and a really nice guy that Ashwin was friends with.
Are there any other clsb guys down there right now? Is this the Loki from here?



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Im sorry to hear that. rest in peace ashwin

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This is pretty much what his Father told me happened, but not in so much detail. One thing that puts me a little at ease is that they believe he didn't suffer. He was also with a good friend that loved him and was able to be by his side when this happened. Loki is a local police officer and a really nice guy that Ashwin was friends with.
Agreed. With the position and near-instant change in direction and inertial stress that would create, it sounds like it was very quick, painless and probably instant.

I think it would be wise for everyone to pose the hypothetical that if no car was coming the other direction, and he survived the low-side... what nuggets of knowledge would he pass on to you to keep you from encountering a similar situation. . . Ash, I think I met you only once and you were obviously well loved and liked by everyone. May some learn and re-evaluate themselves and what and how they do things and hopefully save a future life. I feel that would be a very appropriate way to honor him. Prayers and sympathies to all family, friends, and acquaintances with everyone's loss.

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Another piece to help the closure...
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I don't understand why he would have low-sided there.

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I don't understand why he would have low-sided there.
slide on something, or going too fast and trying to 'go for' the turn anyway, lost some rear tire pressure.... there may be other reasons...

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I don't understand why he would have low-sided there.
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I don't understand why he would have low-sided there.
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Thoughts go out to the driver of the car as well. This will weigh heavily on his mind forever.

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Agreed. With the position and near-instant change in direction and inertial stress that would create, it sounds like it was very quick, painless and probably instant.

I think it would be wise for everyone to pose the hypothetical that if no car was coming the other direction, and he survived the low-side... what nuggets of knowledge would he pass on to you to keep you from encountering a similar situation. . . Ash, I think I met you only once and you were obviously well loved and liked by everyone. May some learn and re-evaluate themselves and what and how they do things and hopefully save a future life. I feel that would be a very appropriate way to honor him. Prayers and sympathies to all family, friends, and acquaintances with everyone's loss.
I think Arch put this very well, to take this very tragic event and learn from it by re-evaluating our selves and our ablities.

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A simple lapse of judgment at the wrong time is all it takes.
How many of us have run wide and crossed the centerline, or stood up and run off?
And at any one of those moments it could have ended very badly.

There is a reason so many of us preach "take it to the track" and I suppose we should add leave it at the track too. When we talk of dialing it back to 60% or 75% or some BS, how much are we really dialing it back. The difference between a hair on fire lap, and dropping off that pace 1-2 seconds feels huge, but we lie to ourselves about the % and the amount of safety. If you are a B rider doing 2min laps are you really going to back off to a 3:50 pace level of riding on the street?

For whatever reason Ash did not leave himself enough of a safety window for the circumstances and that has left us all very sad.

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For whatever reason Ash did not leave himself enough of a safety window for the circumstances and that has left us all very sad.
Kind of bold to accuse ash of wrong doing dont you think. The specific post I posted states first hand that no one saw the crash and they had arrived after it took place. So who are we to judge if he messed up? How about a freak accident with wild life, trouble with the bike, etc etc. As most have said we shall never know what exactly happened but you cant point the finger by saying he didn't leave enough room for error

I think until given another scenario its a safe bet just to call it a freak accident

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Thank you C2M. Rep for you. right now knowing it just happend and no one saw the accident its a little to soon and a little too bold to be accusing ash especally knowing that 1 minute he was on 2 wheels around a corner and the next he wasnt... if thats all that was saw then we cant specualte anything. so just as C2M said i think leaving it at a freak accident untill some other view or formal investigation is done is right

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Take the objective clues as they are.


"Based on the skid marks on the road, we know that Ash was at the apex of the turn when he went down. He low sided and was already down and sliding inside his lane when he slid into an oncoming car. It was a white Nissan Z-something or other. The driver was an older guy and from the skid marks we can tell he was not going very fast and he was in his lane."

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Please don't argue about this. It happened to a good person. He would want us to remember him by riding and helping others. Lets not tarnish that by speculating anything. It dosen't matter.

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Please don't argue about this. It happened to a good person. He would want us to remember him by riding and helping others. Lets not tarnish that by speculating anything. It dosen't matter.
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+1 to Shaugdog. Accidents happen, the details of which should not stir argument in situations like this one.

Let's move away from any debate related to the causes.

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"Based on the skid marks on the road, we know that Ash was at the apex of the turn when he went down. He low sided and was already down and sliding inside his lane when he slid into an oncoming car. It was a white Nissan Z-something or other. The driver was an older guy and from the skid marks we can tell he was not going very fast and he was in his lane."

Accidents have causes, often times more than one 'event' or 'condition' that got it to that point.
Arch you have a valid point, Yes it has been pointed out that he in fact low sided but the point of my statement is geared towards we do not have any idea if it was ash's fault, but rather take into account that a unknown circumstance took place leading cause to the initial low side.

So in short what freak incident took place that caused him to low side? We will never know. Thus leaving all of us at this point of it was a freak accident rather then pointing a finger stating he didnt leave enough room for error.

All in All he was a good guy and it is upsetting to alot of people. I feel for him and his family but most of all for the members that worked on him till help arrived. I know first hand along with a few others doing CPR on a close friend family is something that will haunt you for the rest of your life not to mention the nightmares you have.

Out of respect for him and everyone, I am not going to debate this topic its not the place nor time for it, nor will it ever be. I agree with shaudog.

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I think we should also keep the driver of the Z in our prayers. In this case (from the way it sounds) the driver of the car really didn't have any control over the situation and now has to live with the fact that he may have caused a death. I know I would have a hell of a time living with that.

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Please don't argue about this. It happened to a good person. He would want us to remember him by riding and helping others. Lets not tarnish that by speculating anything. It dosen't matter.
+1 and lets LEAVE it alone. there is no sense in pointing fingers to anything. its simple the man is gone now. pay your respects.



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