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Anyone doing any trackdays over the next month? this is my allergy season but being injured I missed 2 months in the middle of the summer... I need to ride.

Who's signed up for SBTT Putnam Saturday or SBTT Labor day Autobahn?

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I'm torn between ACC and Blackhawk for labor day. I might do ACC Saturday and Blackhawk Sunday.

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I wish the chili cookoff and the STT BBQ were switched. I want to go to both, but only want to ride ACC north.

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im doing acc on sat and hopefuully stt at blackhawk, its inlikely ill make the sept ccs date so gotta get the fill in elsewhere

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im doing acc on sat and hopefuully stt at blackhawk, its inlikely ill make the sept ccs date so gotta get the fill in elsewhere
Weak. I'm pretty sure I can find .05 seconds somewhere and beat you in the rookies cup

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I was wondering why you guys were picking Sat for ACC...but North Course makes sense. I'd do BHF on Saturday, hang around for the cookoff, then go to ACC Sunday for the Ribfest and festivities Sunday night.

Or you could do BHF Sat, recover Sunday, go to ACC early Sunday night and ride the full course on Monday.

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it is fuckin weak, but i have to fly to florida on the morning of the 23rd and drive back... if everythign goes well i might just barely be able to make it back , it will all depend on how exhausted i am..... I will have the truck and trailer ready to go though so that all i have to do when i get home is throw the bike up on the trailer and its ready for ccs

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wait there is bhf that weekend too?

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Which weekend?

NESBA is at BHF Labor Day weekend, STT is there Sept 10-11, and CCS 24-25th.
STT is at ACC Labor Day weekend and Sept. 24-25th

Also - note that the CCS weekend is another twin sprint.

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for me it would be:
acc for laborday
bhf on the 10/11th
ccs on 25 maybe

without ccs my '11 track season ends on the 11th

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Im so burned out on BHF's and the lack of runoff makes me want to send shitty letters to the owners. Im glad to only do one more Race Weekend there. Makes me want to do WERA next year just to avoid that sink hole.

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Who's signed up for SBTT Putnam Saturday or SBTT Labor day Autobahn?
I'll be at Putnam this weekend, and I'm considering Autobahn.
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Here is my plan
STT at BHF on sunday with the bavarian monster
CCS both ST races and hopefully with at least two times third and the top position in the special Olympics...
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for me it would be:
acc for laborday
bhf on the 10/11th
ccs on 25 maybe

without ccs my '11 track season ends on the 11th
why not do acc sept 24/25?

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Acc full will be my last track day

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you mean last track day of the year? Im going south in November and Further South in december and January. I got to ride year round.

And Stephan... what are you talking about SST races????

Hey Nick. Why not do a sportsman race before lunch at SBTT events. Or a GTU/GTO race?

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why not do acc sept 24/25?
because that weekend is ruined having to drive my sister home from florida... its sketchy at best that ill make it home with enough sleep time to race on sunday, definately not going to preregister for track that i have a strong doubt ill be able to make

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you mean last track day of the year? Im going south in November and Further South in december and January. I got to ride year round.

And Stephan... what are you talking about SST races????
ok, it SteFan... and ST stands for SuperTwins.... or SpecialOlympics...

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you mean last track day of the year? Im going south in November and Further South in december and January. I got to ride year round.

And Stephan... what are you talking about SST races????

Hey Nick. Why not do a sportsman race before lunch at SBTT events. Or a GTU/GTO race?
because that would turn an "educational" event into a competitive event... huge insurance changes

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Putnam was a trip Saturday. I had sometimes 20+ mph over others in the advance group coming into the corners. Trying to pass like it's an intermediate session smooth on the outside I get pushed into the grass because novice coaches are teaching the riders to take the entire track. Is that completely necessary? JEZZZ


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Putnam was a trip Saturday. I had sometimes 20+ mph over others in the advance group coming into the corners. Trying to pass like it's an intermediate session smooth on the outside I get pushed into the grass because novice coaches are teaching the riders to take the entire track. Is that completely necessary? JEZZZ


My insurance covers me unless it's a professional event. My insurance salesman does trackdays.
you realize that its the person making the pass who is responsible for making it safe, and yes its necessary for the coaches to teach using the entire track.
its somethign thats not picked up easily by a lot of people coming form a strictly street riding background.

and if you had a 20mph closing speed on A group riders wtf are you doing riding with novices, and why the heck would you think riding like that is acceptable in a lower than A group


as for insurance, I wasnt talking about yours, its STTs and the tracks insurance for that event

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It's been a while since I did a trackday and i guess Im a bit faster. The session was Advanced Group Saturday. I passed two people in T4 one on the straight and one before 5 again and I wanted to go around on the outside of a guy in T5 and weeeee... there is a jump out in the grass.

I guess I was thinking that intermediates see the intermediate class fill up so they sign up for advance.... and Jezz.... do they really need the entire track if they are going so slow? I know the coaches teach to take the whole track but I'm just 'say-en'. Just questioning the thinking.... I only need 15 inches or so.

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It's been a while since I did a trackday and i guess Im a bit faster. The session was Advanced Group Saturday. I passed two people in T4 one on the straight and one before 5 again and I wanted to go around on the outside of a guy in T5 and weeeee... there is a jump out in the grass.

I guess I was thinking that intermediates see the intermediate class fill up so they sign up for advance.... and Jezz.... do they really need the entire track if they are going so slow? I know the coaches teach to take the whole track but I'm just 'say-en'. Just questioning the thinking.... I only need 15 inches or so.
Bart, I like you cause you've got one speed, fast.

However, trackdays are not a race and sometimes you just have to sit back and wait a couple seconds to make a pass in order to keep things curtious and safe. With "open enrollment" trackday orgs you're always going to have people in groups they don't belong in, you need to accept that and be willing to give a little bit here and there to prevent incidents like what you experienced.

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and Jezz.... do they really need the entire track if they are going so slow? I know the coaches teach to take the whole track but I'm just 'say-en'. Just questioning the thinking.... I only need 15 inches or so.
They're not slow Bart. You are. Farrell called and asked that you leave 15 inches on the exit of every corner. He doesn't want it to be his responsibility to pass you safely.

Seriously? Why wouldn't you use the whole track? There are a ton of reasons it's taught that way. I don't know that anyone wants someone screaming past them on the outside going 130 when they are going 110 hoping they can hit a 15 inch gap.

Your supposed to be a faster more experience rider and lead by example. If you can't get it done on the outside, square it up and drive underneath on the exits.

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Bart, I like you cause you've got one speed, fast.

However, trackdays are not a race and sometimes you just have to sit back and wait a couple seconds to make a pass in order to keep things courteous and safe. With "open enrollment" trackday orgs you're always going to have people in groups they don't belong in, you need to accept that and be willing to give a little bit here and there to prevent incidents like what you experienced.
This,

and Bart I also really like you, and would hate to see you or someone else being in an ambulance on a trackday. For a mistake, a not as much experienced rider makes...

In general, I always wanted to say this, since I do trackdays as well...
In a race people expect a more aggressive riding style, ok most people do..., on a trackday you can have Joe Trackday winner running his pace thinking he is the bar for everyone to match up to... Respect that.
- don't make fun of him, don't scare him with a close (race)pass, don't stuff him, just let him be and think for your self how You would normally rail in T1 and pick up riders left and right...
I go to a trackday to relax and just have fun, play around with stuff and see what I can learn.
In a race on the other hand you have pressure on you, ( No wait, you just go and have fun... Yeah -right... that's why motors get taken apart or people run in a cloud of oil mist with Vmax...), finish as good as you can, pass that and that guy, get your points, no matter what you are there to COMPETE...


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They're not slow Bart. You are. Farrell called and asked that you leave 15 inches on the exit of every corner. He doesn't want it to be his responsibility to pass you safely.

Seriously? Why wouldn't you use the whole track? There are a ton of reasons it's taught that way. I don't know that anyone wants someone screaming past them on the outside going 130 when they are going 110 hoping they can hit a 15 inch gap.

Your supposed to be a faster more experience rider and lead by example. If you can't get it done on the outside, square it up and drive underneath on the exits.

Traffic is like traction. You can only do so much with what you have.

that pretty much sums up what i said in the other thread on sttforum.

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Bart, you put yourself in your post like a MotoGP star. Sorry bud, I hate to be the one to tell you, but you're not.

why do YOU use the whole track? believe me, pridmore and his coaches rode your pace at BHF using the inside of the track only, so why are YOU using the whole width of the track???

RIGHT!!!! RIIIGGGHHHHTTT!!! You got it!!

I've never heard any of the fast local racers complain about any of us using the whole track. You know what, we all paid the same and we all have the same right to use it. As mentioned before, it is your responsibility to make a safe pass. If you are 20+mph faster, you should be finishing your pass before the slower rider comes to their turn exit.
if you are 20+mph faster, you should have no trouble outbraking them. if you are 20+ mph faster, you can change your line and pass them on the exit (not on the outside).

i had no trouble passing a lot of people this weekend at putnam, and i wasn't 20+ mph faster than most of them. it's about planning and yes, sometimes waiting for a better opportunity.

remember, it's not a race. it's just a track day. ;-)

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