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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 05:37 PM Thread Starter
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CCS rules ?'s

As some of you may remember from last winter, I am building a track bike out of my '96 gixxer 750.

I have just got done reading the CCS 2008 rulebook on thier site. It does not address much regarding the ignition system in the SuperSport class.

I also read the WERA rulebook on thier site.
The WERA rules state that I can change/modify my ignition box at will.

Can I do the same for CCS?

I already have a Vance and Hines Power-Pak, but I have read mixed reviews on that unit, so I am thinking about buying the Dyna2000 unit, but I want to be sure that it is legal before I spend the money on it and the coils to go with it and all the setup time.

I know that the bike is old and I won't have a chance at winning any races, but I would still like to do a couple races for "fun".

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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 12-22-2008, 05:47 PM
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I don't think the Vance and Hines Power-Pak or the Dyna2000 are considered a modification or replacement of the ignition box, I beleive they are piggy back systems simular to the power comander and should be legal.

Another thing to consider when reading WERA rules vs CCS rules -

When it comes to WERA rules (mainly supersport) if it doesn't say you can do it then you can't.

It's a little different with CCS - if it doesn't say you can't do it then you can.

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If the rule book doesn't say you can't then you can.
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Sweet!!! Thanks guys for clearing that up for me.

The V&H Power-Pak is a replacement.
The Dyna2000, I am not suer if it is piggyback or not. I'll have to check into that.

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Holy Wow...

I haven't heard "Vance & Hines" in a long time!

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Holy Wow...

I haven't heard "Vance & Hines" in a long time!

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Yeah, but how long since you heard of somebody wanting to race a carburated bike against the modern ones?


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Here is another question along the same lines.

My orignal swingarm is cracked by the pivot on the drive side. I bought another swingarm off of ebay and it is also cracked in the same spot. So, I bought another swingarm off ebay and it is damaged.

I am wanting to weld a small gusset to one of the cracked swingarms, over the crack. I understand that normally this would be against the rules, but considering that this is a 13 year old bike, can I patition the rule commity for an exception? The gusset would not be of any real performance gain. Or should I just keep my mouth shut and run it.

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Here is another question along the same lines.

My orignal swingarm is cracked by the pivot on the drive side. I bought another swingarm off of ebay and it is also cracked in the same spot. So, I bought another swingarm off ebay and it is damaged.

I am wanting to weld a small gusset to one of the cracked swingarms, over the crack. I understand that normally this would be against the rules, but considering that this is a 13 year old bike, can I patition the rule commity for an exception? The gusset would not be of any real performance gain. Or should I just keep my mouth shut and run it.

Just run it. Unless someone protests you, it shouldnt be a concern from tech. If they say anythign tell them it had a crack and this is just to make sre it doesnt break.
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Alright, then that is what i do.

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Yeah, but how long since you heard of somebody wanting to race a carburated bike against the modern ones?

That was my goal last year.

That end, the first full day of race practice I had on my FZR GP bike.
So I ended up racing the last years bike.


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Here is another question along the same lines.

My orignal swingarm is cracked by the pivot on the drive side. I bought another swingarm off of ebay and it is also cracked in the same spot. So, I bought another swingarm off ebay and it is damaged.

I am wanting to weld a small gusset to one of the cracked swingarms, over the crack. I understand that normally this would be against the rules, but considering that this is a 13 year old bike, can I patition the rule commity for an exception? The gusset would not be of any real performance gain. Or should I just keep my mouth shut and run it.
There is no rule that says, you can not add material to something.
Honestly, read the rule book cover to cover.
Use the mind set, that if there is not a rule that says "You can't", then you can.

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That was my goal last year.

That end, the first full day of race practice I had on my FZR GP bike.
So I ended up racing the last years bike.


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Why did you not race the the FZR after that first day of practice?
Was it due to the class you were running in?

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Why did you not race the the FZR after that first day of practice?
Was it due to the class you were running in?
Well, it was a unique bike and setup.
The displacement would only allow the bike in Heavy Wt and Unlimited classes.
On top of the fact that I hold an Expert license.
There was NO-Way I was going to get that bike to run a fast lap-time.

The config. was Flat-slides and TCI ignition, leaving the bike with only about 3k worth of usable Horse power.
I would have taken me 2 years to master that bike, with that motor.
I ended up putting a stock 400 motor in it, +1 mm build, with the stock TCI.
With that combo I manage to go 4 seconds a lap fast on the first time out, then I did all day long with the other motor.
The dyno #s where 110 to 71.
The 71 HP was just that more usable.

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Thanks, that is what I am thinking would happen to me if I did some of the work I was going to do.

I just did a nice clean-up of the head and had the valves/seats ground and lapped. 2 degree fixed timing advance, race jet kit, k+n filter and a yosh duplex exhaust with the little canisters on the header. Otherwise, I have a totally stock motor.

I have put most of my money in suspension and other little trinkets like clip-on's, rear sets, bearings, brake lines and all that other stuff that is hard to brag about, but makes the bike perform like new.

I figure if things go well this summer, next winter I will take it to the next step. Mild superbike build. Doing mostly chassis and swingarm mods.

I have been looking at lap times at BHF. At the last race, there was only 2 second differance between the SS heavyweight and the SB heavyweight classes. The SS middleweight were even faster yet. I think that too much can slow you down alot. so I am focusing on handeling and brakes.

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... so I am focusing on handeling and brakes.
Don't forget to Focus on having fun.
Other then that... sounds like you have a good plan.

One last thing...
Lap times... Mean nothing.
They are just one moment in time..
They can be a great tool for learning.
Mostly, they are just bragging rights for track day riders.
If you are stuck behind a rider thats 2 secs a lap slow then you and you can't pass him....
Then guess what, your lap times are going to be 2 seconds slower!


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One last thing...
Lap times... Mean nothing.
They are just one moment in time..
They can be a great tool for learning.
Mostly, they are just bragging rights for track day riders.
If you are stuck behind a rider thats 2 secs a lap slow then you and you can't pass him....
Then guess what, your lap times are going to be 2 seconds slower!
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I thought he said he was going to race.

Wouldn't that make lap times everything?
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I bet if you could do 1:09-1:12's on a crowded track at bhf you might already know how to pass. The pass or be passed mentality is what makes racing fun, or if you're in front running for your life lol.
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Yeah, but how long since you heard of somebody wanting to race a carburated bike against the modern ones?


All the time. SV 650's are the most popular bike in LW class.
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