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tire warmers: temp selectable/ programmable

anyone know where they locate the thermostat/ temp sensor on warmers that are either temp selectable or those that have the electronid programmable displays?

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usually its close to the module that controls it. why? open them up you'll see it

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i dont have a set of programmables to look at/ open up

since the multi temp ones are several hundred more then single temp versions in many cases i got to thinking why not put on your own external controller adn run the probe along the awrmer cord help on by some of that coil wire loom wrap stuff

the idea is from boredom and feasibility depends on location of the probe

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as in like a potentiometer to raise and lower the temps of a single temp warmer?

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as in like a potentiometer to raise and lower the temps of a single temp warmer?
yea pretty much but id use something more advanced than a potentiometer

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I'm sure you could save 100 or so bucks doing that, but why not get the woodcraft dual temps? They have excellent customer service/return policies, and you can find them for cheap.

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im bored mostly

but this would be a sort of after the fact solution, for people that already own a set of singles but want to be able to use then with added functionality, for instance different tires wanting different temp ranges

also lower costs going forward, with replacement warmer sets youd only need to buy the single temp

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I'm interested to see how they would work. Good luck. I'm pretty sure there isn't a thermostat on my dual temp woodcrafts, or any dual temp. I would imagine it is just engineered with a 2 position variable resistor, where 1 position puts out voltage for low, and the other for high.

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two things;

1. currently all tire warmers have temp sensors in them. one just can just adjust based on temp the other style just has a single preset temp.

2. who gives a fuck? i bet 1 million dollars that the difference in 10 degrees of tire temp 99.999999% of the people who ride at the track could not tell the difference.

i love all the people at trackdays with $500-$700 tire warmers, i ran some cheapo ebay specials and still whooped on everyone of them on the first lap. Hell even racing my i could go balls out into turn one like i had been on the track for 20mins and the tires hooked like velcro.

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This.

http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=TSW&Nav=temp11

With a relay. Temperature switch is set to the desired temperature and turns off when that temperature is reached. The output goes to a relay to switch AC power to the coils.

Or this.
http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?r...100&Nav=temp11

You can go digital control, but then you need a solid state relay, thermocouple, PLC, etc. Talk to Josh, or I can talk to our test stand software guy tomorrow.

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I had that idea as well a while back, but realized that carrying all the shit with me all the time will cause more happenings, and to be honest, you will end up spending more time getting everything setup that what it is worth...

you can get some good dual temp warmers from low $300, If you buy cheap ( and that is what you get ) you still pay 120 for a set, after you install everything you prolly spend about $100 for the stuff you need to do it properly and than you still have a cheap set of tire warmers.

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Pretty sure I paid right around 300 for my dual temp woodcrafts, and truth be told, I'd take them any day over any other brand, they have been awesome.

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This.

http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?ref=TSW&Nav=temp11

With a relay. Temperature switch is set to the desired temperature and turns off when that temperature is reached. The output goes to a relay to switch AC power to the coils.

Or this.
http://www.omega.com/ppt/pptsc.asp?r...100&Nav=temp11

You can go digital control, but then you need a solid state relay, thermocouple, PLC, etc. Talk to Josh, or I can talk to our test stand software guy tomorrow.

ive got the controller side figured out already and i talked to josh too


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I had that idea as well a while back, but realized that carrying all the shit with me all the time will cause more happenings, and to be honest, you will end up spending more time getting everything setup that what it is worth...

you can get some good dual temp warmers from low $300, If you buy cheap ( and that is what you get ) you still pay 120 for a set, after you install everything you prolly spend about $100 for the stuff you need to do it properly and than you still have a cheap set of tire warmers.
this is my hobby...
i dont like buying cheap stuff, it only bites you later
and this is just an idea that i had, the controller side was the easy part, where the temp probe is located is still a question i had, of course im probably overthinking that and its just put somewhere in the end of the warmer where the cord goes in w

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two things;

1. currently all tire warmers have temp sensors in them. one just can just adjust based on temp the other style just has a single preset temp.

2. who gives a fuck? i bet 1 million dollars that the difference in 10 degrees of tire temp 99.999999% of the people who ride at the track could not tell the difference.

i love all the people at trackdays with $500-$700 tire warmers, i ran some cheapo ebay specials and still whooped on everyone of them on the first lap. Hell even racing my i could go balls out into turn one like i had been on the track for 20mins and the tires hooked like velcro.
I will bow down to that shit yo.

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Jason I would spend the money on a new generator. Your current one looks like it is a prop from The Road Warrior.
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I'm definately not going out and getting 600 dollar warmers, not even close

Alex/ nick, so what's the point of the digital controlled warmers? Gimmick to charge more mainly?

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A year or two ago, at Dealer expo someone had a set of warmers that also integrated air pressure. The warmers had clip-on air chucks and the controler would manage temps and pressures.

Cool gizmo don't know what ever came of it. (small compressor was built into the the controller box)

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I'm definately not going out and getting 600 dollar warmers, not even close

Alex/ nick, so what's the point of the digital controlled warmers? Gimmick to charge more mainly?

Jason, I had / have a set of digital tirewarmers, and have to say I set it once and never changed it since that, the only nice thing is that you can tell if they are up to temp or not.
I belive unless you go Pro ( and that would be world-level pro) and have a tire guy working for you, you never need anything else that two temps, one to get the tires ready - the HI setting , and one to keep them warm so they will not heatcycle during lunch or longer periods in between - the Lo setting.

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i was thinking of getting tire warmers and going the cheapo way. do you keep them on between sessions? i don't have a genterator so i was gonna plug them into mycar using a lighter power converter.. good or bad idea?

getting them just to feel better about rain an later in the colder season as right now for me the first lap is always a warm up to remember the track

oh and i'll be the slower maybe to mid (I) group

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Bad idea Bio. I doubt you will get them to work properly powering them off your car. If it was that easy everyone would be doing it.
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I'm definately not going out and getting 600 dollar warmers, not even close

Alex/ nick, so what's the point of the digital controlled warmers? Gimmick to charge more mainly?


Why get $600 warmers. You can buy a set of used Chickenhawks for $300 or below. If you have a problem with tehm they will fix them. I had a problem with my dual temp switch and they fixed it and returned it quick. You guy make a mountian out of a mole hill.


FWIW I think the CH dual temp warmers are the best bang for the buck.
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Alex/ nick, so what's the point of the digital controlled warmers? Gimmick to charge more mainly?
in a word.. yes. adjustable temp tire warmers will not make you faster, they will just make you feel like a pro. people should spend the money on shit that works better. like brand spanking new slicks for every day. that will make you faster than any tire warmer on the market. man i love me a brand new set of tires. putting a new set of tires on after only running 8 laps was like having sex for the first time, you couldn't wipe the smile off my face.

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thanks for the input stefan, that makes sense that its a set it once and leave it thing

I know one warmer isnt going to make me faster over another, I was bored and this came up, ive learned something from all of this, that its not worthwhile

im not looking just to spend money on flashy, blingy stuff to have at the track functionality and reliability are primary on my list of priorities ...the vast majority of the stuff i bring with me was bought used or i already owned it prior to track riding


bio, it could theoretically work but youll drain the battery low enough not start the car in 2-3 hours or have to have the car running well above idle for the alternator to maintain battery voltage


hahha i just looked at chickenhawks site, their digital warmers use the same johnson controls a419 series controller i picked out on my own when i started lookign at this

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To be able to mount this on the back of a trailer, with an el. 12V winch.
This would be a perfect track addition...

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thats pretty cool stefan. implementation is easy too especially with a winch, but holy cantilevered loads batman

thats be fun to build

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thats pretty cool stefan. implementation is easy too especially with a winch, but holy cantilevered loads batman

thats be fun to build
You know I was thinking about mounting it to the back/ side of a trailer with attachable outriggers....
I want to build one for my garage when I get time, just for storrage...

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trailer mounting... that a lot of stress on a frame not designed for anything like that

definately nice in the garage

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stefan are you thinking about this on the trailer for loadingso you dont need a ramp?

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