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525 Master Link on 520 Chain?

Any reason I can't use a 525 Master Link on a 520 Chain? Looks like the 525 is a little bit wider than the 520, but since the pitch is the same shouldn't be an issue. Let me know if I am missing something.

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'cause great minds think a like. You have to be a smart dude.

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I know a very fast guy who didn't even worry when running a 530 chain on 520 sprockets. He said he'd done it many times on different bikes if the need came up. So, I suppose one link would not be any worse.
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I know a very fast guy who didn't even worry when running a 530 chain on 520 sprockets. He said he'd done it many times on different bikes if the need came up. So, I suppose one link would not be any worse.
Cool thanks. The 530 is a little bit wider than the 525, still same pitch.

Since these are rivet master links and Im using the spacers from the 520 to press the plate one i figure its no issue.

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The pitch is the same, it's the width that is different. In a pinch I'd guess it would work to get you home or to a shop where you could buy the correct size, but I wouldn't use it beyond that. Those pins and rollers are going to have play and are definately going move around against the side plate and it could put enough stress on it to make the side plate pop off, so I wouldn't consider it permanant. I'd replace it with the proper size ASAP. But, that's just me.

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The pitch is the same, it's the width that is different. In a pinch I'd guess it would work to get you home or to a shop where you could buy the correct size, but I wouldn't use it beyond that. Those pins and rollers are going to have play and are definately going move around against the side plate and it could put enough stress on it to make the side plate pop off, so I wouldn't consider it permanant. I'd replace it with the proper size ASAP. But, that's just me.
Maybe im missing it, since i press the plate on to match the width of the 520 and then rivet it, what extra play would be there?

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The pitch is the same, it's the width that is different. In a pinch I'd guess it would work to get you home or to a shop where you could buy the correct size, but I wouldn't use it beyond that. Those pins and rollers are going to have play and are definately going move around against the side plate and it could put enough stress on it to make the side plate pop off, so I wouldn't consider it permanant. I'd replace it with the proper size ASAP. But, that's just me.
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Dude, Loki, don't be SUCH a jew

Next thing you ask is 'can i use water instead of break fluid?'
that sounds about right, water is one of those incompressible fluids. that should work.

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I think oldtimebiker is referring to a clip type. With a rivet one, it should be ok if you can get it to press enough to get it all tight.

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Dude, Loki, don't be SUCH a jew. a master link is like 3 bucks...

Next thing you ask is 'can i use water instead of break fluid?'

or canola for the engine. oil is oil, right?
There is no reason to dump this link, quit being such an idiot and try to think for a second.

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I think oldtimebiker is referring to a clip type. With a rivet one, it should be ok if you can get it to press enough to get it all tight.
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There is no reason to dump this link, quit being such an idiot and try to think for a second.
I didn't say dump it.

Sell it!

Buy yourself a 525 chain and sprockets

Now you think. and look at the link you posted. The two neighboring links would not sit tight. They would wobble. the link is not welded to the rod. they would slide. got it?

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I didn't say dump it.

Sell it!

Buy yourself a 525 chain and sprockets

Now you think. and look at the link you posted. The two neighboring links would not sit tight. They would wobble. the link is not welded to the rod. they would slide. got it?
Sorry for calling you an idiot - i thought you were superspud (looking quickly on my phone).

The press plates are the same size (shape, length, and width). The only difference is the length of the pins - since I am pressing the plates on I can set the width to match the 520 width.

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I think oldtimebiker is referring to a clip type. With a rivet one, it should be ok if you can get it to press enough to get it all tight.
Actually I would have said don't do it at all if it were a clip type. The rivet type IS still wider and the key is in what you stated "...if you can get it to press enough..." even if it seems like you did there will be play that wouldn't be there if you were using the proper size. A 525 master link is not designed to be used on a 520 chain whether it's a clip type or a rivet type. Master links are cheap and readily available. You can even find them in some hardware stores. Why compromise safety?

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Actually I would have said don't do it at all if it were a clip type. The rivet type IS still wider and the key is in what you stated "...if you can get it to press enough..." even if it seems like you did there will be play that wouldn't be there if you were using the proper size. A 525 master link is not designed to be used on a 520 chain whether it's a clip type or a rivet type. Master links are cheap and readily available. You can even find them in some hardware stores. Why compromise safety?
Because I don't understand how this isn't safe.

Its identical to the 520 master link except the pins are longer to accommodate a wider roller. Since during installation I choose where to put the plate (based on the 520 spacers) the only side effect is extended pins outside the plate by like 1.5mm. No extra play and no weaker than any other master link.

Why wouldn't I use it?

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Well when we read a post about ur chain failure and it tears half ur leg off then we will ask you if it was worth it to skimp on a 2 dollar part. Jordan we tell you these things for ur safety. Not to bump heads with you. so when someone who has been around motorcycles for a long time and has "been there and done that" tells you that its a bad idea, well its a bad idea.
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I gave you my reasons why I wouldn't... BUT, Hey...It's your chain, your master link, your motorcycle and you'll be the guy riding it. If you're convinced it's safe, then use it.
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Wow, really?

Think about taking a 2x4 and placing it on two saw horses, then press it in the middle and it will flex. Now move the saw horses closer so they are only two feet apart. Now try to flex it in the middle. Do you have any idea how much force is being placed on that pin? Not to mention the o-rings wont seal. If you do this instead of getting the correct link, you deserve to have it come apart and take your arm off or break your back. dee dee dee.

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Maybe im missing it, since i press the plate on to match the width of the 520 and then rivet it, what extra play would be there?
You wont be able to squeeze it that far, the plate will bottom on the rivet.

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Coming from a man whose chain broke and sliced his engine into butter, buy the correct masterlink and have piece of mind. I replace my chain with a 525 chain every year since this incident.

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Also, if you look at the ends of the rivets, they have a dimple in them. The correct way is to press and then flare the end. The flare would only be on the end of the rivet, so even if you could press it all the way on, it would still walk out to the end.

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bad bad idea

they make the chains a different width for a reason and mixing and matching those sizes even though they are the same pitch is a bad idea

assuming you can even press the plate on far enough the rivet bore will not extend deep enough to tightly hold the plate with a properly made rivet, and if you over rivet the bore youll split the pin end leading to an already weakened and fatigued chain link

also by forcing the plate onto the pin that far the pressfit will be wrong and could very well be too tight leading to an overstressed plare from the drilled hole being too small
this could lead to warpage of the plate or a stress fracture in the plate itself

plus the chain tool is not meant or designed to force the plate on that far, i hope you arent borrowing someones chain tool for this.


but by all means be a cheap fuck, do half assed work to save 3 dollars, and later make sure to come running to us crying about how bad the engins cases are fucked up adn how much losing a chink of your calf muscle hurt, we'll all listen with sympathy

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