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I'm not sure if some plastic is worth it.
Discuss.
What you might think the pro's are I've seen many con's

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i have them on my street bike incase of a parking lot tipover more than anything, if i crash...well its a roll of the dice

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I guess the thing is that alot of people in the motorcycle community fall pray to the sales hype.

Ive had people argue they need this or that to make their bike faster yet the bike needs a carb service and plugs.But they fall pray to the Sea Foam and octane buster sales pitch.

I'm going to look fast and buy these frame sliders and race tires.

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i hear ya, i wont be putting a set on my trackbike, ive got better things to spend money on for it, like reinforced case covers, suspension etc

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no sliders for me, just some case covers. i'm afraid of a frame slider catchin the rumble
strip and cart wheeling the bike.

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Or breaking the frame like the picture.

I understand many of the pro race teams use them *behind* the bodywork now... That
Way they offer impact protection but won't catch when the bike slides.


Mixed bag really.

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no sliders for me, just some case covers. i'm afraid of a frame slider catchin the rumble
strip and cart wheeling the bike.
what he said......except mine actually caught the grass and cart wheeled. Yea no spiders for me. Even if the arguments for a slow speed crash.....your plastics still get scratched save the 100-150 and get some needed things

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Always a crap shoot. Some bikes I've not had sliders on that I've put a good sized dent in the side of the frame, and others with sliders have had minimal damage. I would venture to guess it is better to have them on than not. There are plenty of other things on the bike to cause it to go end over end too, not just sliders.

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I think it was posted in a similar thread before. Shorty slides like Woodcraft makes don't protrude too far to significantly increase a chance of bike flipping, yet provide some degree of protection.

Here are some pics from last year. The bike flipped, but I don't think it was because of the sliders. It slid on the pavement first and the slider worked real well (prevented some damage). Then the rearset got caught in the dirt...

In the first pic below the slider looks like it sticks out further than it actually is because of the angle / pushed in bodywork. The other side gives a better idea.






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i have sliders on mine but merely for the potential tip over reason. bike was layed down going at low speed b4 and sliders and bar ends took all the damage. had they not i woulda had some pretty ugly fairings. lol so for those kinda things they come in handy i guess....
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Shorty sliders that barely stick out pass the plastics are better IMO than the long ass ones.
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I was always worried about taht on the 1098, but finally put some one, they barely stick out but should "slide" versus flip over...

However the best I have seen and used sofar are a brand from Germany, I installed GILLES TOOLING sliders on the BMW. They have springs in them for a) shock absorbing in case of a tip-over and b) in case they slide and snag on something they literally fall in two pieces apart. And the bike keeps sliding on the stubby that's left underneath the spring part.
Pretty cool setup and they were not much more than good normal sliders like Woodcraft...
I have to look for the video I saw on them ... and yes I already tested them , they work.

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I like that idea.
For them to have a breaking point just past a slow speed tip over Might well be the answer.

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Shorty sliders that barely stick out pass the plastics are better IMO than the long ass ones.
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There are slider sets sold that add an additional positioning/extension bracket, these IMO are scary

The break-away sliders that Germany speaks of, have the potential to dent the tank upon breaking apart.

Long sliders are more hazardous, even in a garage tip over. While moving, it's easier to get caught on the ground and snapping a frame mounting hole.

It's really a flip of a coin. My Aprilia Factory, I have some on there that are sooo long, you can use them as easy rider highway pegs
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The break-away sliders that Germany speaks of, have the potential to dent the tank upon breaking apart.
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Even the short sliders have been known at times to break off and hit/dent the frame, tank, or other parts of the bike and cause damage.

Like I said, it's a flip of the coin, it doesn't matter who makes them.

just sayin'.
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In my experience...
It is how and were the bike crashes that dictates the damage.

If you lowside on asphalt, the bike will slide nicely on a frame-slider.
If the bike makes it to the grass, or if crashed in the grass... its the luck of the draw on what happens.
If you have solid rearsets, a flip is just as likely.
Shorter sliders, like woodcraft, tend to lessen the chance of digging it.
Personally, I will use only Woodcraft sliders or nothing at all.

Less skilled riders are more likely to crash by running off the track or at the edge of the track, if this is true skip them.
If you are more likely to ride the brakes late into the corner, pushing the front end...
Then the bike is most likely to stay on the pavement for a good amount a time. In that case, they are great.


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Even the short sliders have been known at times to break off and hit/dent the frame, tank, or other parts of the bike and cause damage.

Like I said, it's a flip of the coin, it doesn't matter who makes them.

just sayin'.
gotcha, but I belive that chance is pretty slim, you have to see them...

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In my experience...
It is how and were the bike crashes that dictates the damage.

If you lowside on asphalt, the bike will slide nicely on a frame-slider.
If the bike makes it to the grass, or if crashed in the grass... its the luck of the draw on what happens.
If you have solid rearsets, a flip is just as likely.
Shorter sliders, like woodcraft, tend to lessen the chance of digging it.
Personally, I will use only Woodcraft sliders or nothing at all.

Less skilled riders are more likely to crash by running off the track or at the edge of the track, if this is true skip them.
If you are more likely to ride the brakes late into the corner, pushing the front end...
Then the bike is most likely to stay on the pavement for a good amount a time. In that case, they are great.


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I was under the bike on my last crash, the bike was fine, except the brakelever that digged in my boot, broke...
And yes I agree with you on woodcraft it's pretty good quality and short enough..

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I was always worried about taht on the 1098, but finally put some one, they barely stick out but should "slide" versus flip over...

However the best I have seen and used sofar are a brand from Germany, I installed GILLES TOOLING sliders on the BMW. They have springs in them for a) shock absorbing in case of a tip-over and b) in case they slide and snag on something they literally fall in two pieces apart. And the bike keeps sliding on the stubby that's left underneath the spring part.
Pretty cool setup and they were not much more than good normal sliders like Woodcraft...
I have to look for the video I saw on them ... and yes I already tested them , they work.

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This bike had no frame sliders on it, and after that crash needed a new frame. I think if it had frame sliders it would have been much worse.


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I had a tipover with the S4. Frame sliders helped there, only a scratched stator cover. On the SV650, it was crashed on the track before I bought it. Results were a ground down slider, dented tank, broken lever, and the top of the brake resivor was ground down. After a lever, the bike was rideable. My '01 F4i has case covers and sliders already on it. One side was "tested" by a previous owner, and it seemed to do it's job. That being said, if the bike didn't have sliders already on it, idk if I would buy them for it. I saw Jimmy's (from MCC) D675 @ ACC when he crashed on South course. Demolished frame.
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This bike had no frame sliders on it, and after that crash needed a new frame. I think if it had frame sliders it would have been much worse.

Holy fak I bet your hip flexors were sore like a bitch!!

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