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I just had someone clean my carbs for me. I installed them, put it all back together and now it cranks but doesn't start. (I also put new plugs in)
I don't know if I have to keep cranking because there was no gas in the carbs or if I have to mess with the idle screw or if something is messed up.
He said I may have to adjust some screws on the carbs to get it running smoothly. Is that it?
Is anyone in the Aurora area around tomorrow that is willing to take a look because I would really like to bring it to tech day.
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is the petcock on prime? you need it there to refill the bowls without vacuum from a running engine.

turn it to prime wait 30 seconds or so adn give it a crank to start it as you normally would. choke on etc whatever is your norm

if it doesnt fire wait another 30 and try again


once it catches turn it back to run/on

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is the petcock on prime? you need it there to refill the bowls without vacuum from a running engine.

turn it to prime wait 30 seconds or so adn give it a crank to start it as you normally would. choke on etc whatever is your norm

if it doesnt fire wait another 30 and try again


once it catches turn it back to run/on
It's turned to what it normally is at while I am riding. I think there is open, off and reserve or something like that.
I also don't want to keep cranking and drain the battery.
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Jason, there is no "prime" setting for this bike.

Try starting it for a short period over the course of a day. Keep a tender on the battery in between tries.

Hopefully someone with more knowledge will chime in.

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will the reserve setting flow fuel with the engine off?

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will the reserve setting flow fuel with the engine off?
I am not sure. I put it to on right away and switched it around a little bit and tried cranking. Most of the time it just cranks on the starter but if I leave it and then start cranking it fires and dies.
I wish I knew someone close to me that knows about bikes. I have been trying to make it to tech day for years and every time something comes up.
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just for shits, turn it to reserve, and let it sit for a few mins, also while youre at it turn the idle screw up 4-5 turns, if your idle is set to low itll cough and fire like it wants to but die immediately after out of air.

if it starts and revs way up turn the idle back down

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just for shits, turn it to reserve, and let it sit for a few mins, also while youre at it turn the idle screw up 4-5 turns, if your idle is set to low itll cough and fire like it wants to but die immediately after out of air.

if it starts and revs way up turn the idle back down

Did this.. It started for a few seconds and died and went back to cranking.
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Are you sure you have spark ? Did a wire get disconnected while you guys where digging around with the carbs ?
Yeah I actually triple checked to make sure they were plugged in and I went over all of the vacuum hoses, fuel hoses and electical connector
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add more idle

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add more idle
I had it turned up as far as it will go
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will the reserve setting flow fuel with the engine off?
yes
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I had it turned up as far as it will go
that could be a problem
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that could be a problem
I tried it in different positions and still nothing.
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i was assuming that the idle screw would have been backed down all the way

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Check spark with spark plug out. Easy. Check fuel delivery by unscrewing float bowl drain, if gas comes out at least you have some in there. If there is gas in all 4 bowls then you have some type of incorrect setting or something is screwed up in the carbs, assuming that is all that was messed with.
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It finally started!!!! put the tank back on fuel and adjusted the idle to about 900ish. I took it about a mile and it seemed to be fine. I turned it off and then turned it back on and it fired right up. I may see if I can have someone look at it at tech day just to make sure everything sounds right.
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Ok, soo.... My bike won't start again. Starter turns over, sounds like it wants to start and then just starter noise. I don't know what to do. I am pretty much stuck. Anyone able to come and take a look?
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Idle was turned up and it ran on the main jet??? After turning it down did it hold an idle??

I'm wondering if the low speed jets are doing their thing.

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Idle was turned up and it ran on the main jet??? After turning it down did it hold an idle??

I'm wondering if the low speed jets are doing their thing.
Yeah when I got it started yesterday I had the idle pretty high. Once it warmed up after about 2 minutes I adjusted it and it ran fine. I turned up the idle today, turned it down and tried everything and it still wouldn't start. I don't know if for some reason gas isn't getting to the carbs or something? It's probably something simple but I just don't know. And yesterday I rode it about 3 miles, parked it and turned it off. It started right back up so I thought everything was fine. I think when it sits or cools down I have this problem. I was hoping to get it started today and get it to tech day so I can have someone take a look at it.

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I would recommend calling the professional you had clean the carbs and have them rebuild them again and correct whatever mistake they made. I would assume you went to a reputable mechanic and they will stand behind their work.




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I would recommend calling the professional you had clean the carbs and have them rebuild them again and correct whatever mistake they made. I would assume you went to a reputable mechanic and they will stand behind their work.
I had a buddy of mine do it. I don't doubt his work. He's very good at what he does and is a perfectionist with this kind of stuff. I probably should have spent the extra money to have him pull the carbs and put it back together.
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Does it have last years gas in it?

Why did you decide the carbs were trouble before?Maybe it never was the carbs?

Poor compression will cause starting issues like these and start better once warm.

I might check the idle again.Get a look in there and watch the idle screw make contact with the throttle and then just another half turn or so.

If you find the idle screw any more than that far in.It's running on the main and the idle jets are still plugged.

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the question that needs to be asked is what was the reason you think the carbs needed cleaning?! What was the issue before the work? or you just wanted them looked??? Did I look over this?
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Does it have last years gas in it?

Why did you decide the carbs were trouble before?Maybe it never was the carbs?

Poor compression will cause starting issues like these and start better once warm.

I might check the idle again.Get a look in there and watch the idle screw make contact with the throttle and then just another half turn or so.

If you find the idle screw any more than that far in.It's running on the main and the idle jets are still plugged.
Yes it does have gas from last year in it. Before I pulled the carbs the bike ran, but was kinda choppy at start up. I also rode it around the block and other than a little bit of hesitation it was fine.
I decided to have the carbs cleaned because it's pretty much been sitting for almost a year and a half. I would start it and let it run every few weeks but after my battery died this last winter it just sat. I've always had a little hesitation at about 8k rpm at WOT. I figured it was the carbs. When the guy went to clean them he said they were actually really clean already.
I can see where the idle screw makes contact with the throttle. I've adjusted it from just barely touching to almost all the way and have tried starting.
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OK try to fire the bike with a shot of starting fluid in the air box.
If it fires and dies then the low speed jets were over looked in the cleaning.

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No luck yet.. I tried it again today and first try it started for about 2 seconds and died. I took a video but for some reason I need wifi to upload it. I just took the tank back off, checked the spark plugs and went over all my connections. I did find my gas line fuel filter that goes to the carbs was off, but I highly doubt that makes a difference.
tcmalker. That won't solve the problem. It was running a week earlier.

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