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Looking for '99 CBR1100XX Service Manual

Hey folks, I have a friend that has a Honda 99 CBR1100XX that is having some electrical issues.

Does anyone have a link, or can email me a PDF Service Manual for a BlackBird?

I have lots of other Honda and Suzuki manuals... no BlackBird unfortunately.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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What's the issue ? the RR circuit on those was terrible.....


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BTW, the other common electrical issue on '99s & '00s besides the RR, is a multi-pin connector in the harness right by the left passenger footpeg. Long story short, it isn't used for anything other than testing at the factory, but the connectors corrode & causes intermittent FI light codes, that will eventually strand you.

2 basic fixes, if that's the issue. One is to cut male & female plastic connectors & solder pairs together. The other is to clean each connector individually & check fitment at the female end.
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Thanks guys, trying to get the owner to join here. I sent him a link to this thread.

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You're more than welcome, Brian.

Not sure what type of issue your friend is having, but if it turns out to be the wiring harness issue I mentioned,here is a nice "how to" with pics.
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Hey folks, I have a friend that has a Honda 99 CBR1100XX that is having some electrical issues.
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Click me.

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BTW, the other common electrical issue on '99s & '00s besides the RR, is a multi-pin connector in the harness right by the left passenger footpeg. Long story short, it isn't used for anything other than testing at the factory, but the connectors corrode & causes intermittent FI light codes, that will eventually strand you.

2 basic fixes, if that's the issue. One is to cut male & female plastic connectors & solder pairs together. The other is to clean each connector individually & check fitment at the female end.


That sounds familiar.

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BTW, the other common electrical issue on '99s & '00s besides the RR, is a multi-pin connector in the harness right by the left passenger footpeg. Long story short, it isn't used for anything other than testing at the factory, but the connectors corrode & causes intermittent FI light codes, that will eventually strand you.

2 basic fixes, if that's the issue. One is to cut male & female plastic connectors & solder pairs together. The other is to clean each connector individually & check fitment at the female end.
I had both of these issues with a ZX6 and both were diagnosed using the fault finding chart I refer everyone to.

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Great link, and yes, I actually gave him that link prior to your re-posting. There is also a great link re Stator on XX: http://www.cbr1100xx.org/forums/inde...howtopic=53455

We need more stuff like that step by step on this board. EXCELLENT instructions.

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Thanks all! This is good information. I will look to diagnose the issue. I am pretty sure it is the stator, and possible the regulator. Much appreciated!!

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Running issue or charging issue????

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Thanks all! This is good information. I will look to diagnose the issue. I am pretty sure it is the stator, and possible the regulator. Much appreciated!!

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Don't be pretty sure. Use the flow chart and be sure.

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Electrical as in charging or Electrical as in the FI light coming on.

Troy covered the common problem with the FI light.
Charging? RR or stator

Here's another site. This site has more current active XX riders on it.

The site the Troy linked is excellent as well

http://www.cbrxx.com/search.php?searchid=354060

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I have a 98 so the FI light/harness thing doesn't pertain to me but have heard lots of issues with it. I had a R/R go out not long after I bought mine (gave me a no crank condition) and changed it out for the updated finned aluminum replacement. Haven't had an issue since. I also keep a battery tender on it when parked. The site that Strek mentioned does have a downloadable service manual for the XX. Since you're not far from me, I may be able to help if needed. I know these bikes pretty well. Cheers.

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Thanks all! This is good information. I will look to diagnose the issue. I am pretty sure it is the stator, and possible the regulator. Much appreciated!!

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We still don't know what the issues are????????

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Never mind
You can replace the R/R and I'm sure it will run better.

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Bret, Welcome from another fellow XX owner.

Speaking of Blackbirds any of you folks out riding going west on I-90 last Saturday at around 2:30pm. Exited at Beverly I believe
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Sorry for no reply, I've been busy.

The issue I have is that when I am driving around in city traffic; slow, stop and go, I notice at idle (and and 1500RPM), my tach drops to zero. I rev the engine, and over 1500rpm it registers. At one point, the speedo was bouncing around. And my low gas light would blink a bit. Occasionally the bike would die when stopped at a light. It would not crank over. I would have to push start it. When I stop after this ride, it would not crank over.
On the expressway, no problems.
The battery is less than 2 years old, and I ride year round. 2 years ago my regulator was starting to go, and it fried my battery. I replaced the regulator, and my multimeter shows it is ok.

To me, this is a stator issue, as the bike does not seem to be charging at low RPM's.

I did some quick multimeter checks before I talked with Brian, and it says that my battery at rest was 11.6v. Bike running at 12.4v. And when rev to 5000rpm, 12.6v. It should be 14.8v.

I will run through the nice chart that was posted. Looks comprehensive.

Thanks for all the suggestions and URL's. It is much appreciated!!

Now I just need to find these OEM parts for a good price. ;-)

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That chart should tell you what you need to know, as well as the link Brian posted to the "how to" thread.

FWIW, when my stator gave up at ~45,000 miles, the dash lights got dim, then the speedo & tach intermittently stopped working, and were bouncing around. Next time I stopped for fuel, bike wouldn't start.

When the connector in my wiring harness started acting up, the FI light would intermittently come on, with no other symptoms at all.

Yours could be either, but it sounds more like an intermittent stator failure. Remember to put a full charge on the battery before you start testing. You could also have a chassis ground connection that is weak. Given it is easy/cheap to check/fix, you may want take a look.

As for good OEM parts prices, it's not uncommon to see 20% off online. I do know at least a few members on the Blackbird forum that have purchased stators from Rick's, with good results. Theirs is only $140.00.

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Hi all. Thanks for all the great advice.

It took me a while to get around to testing and ordering parts. The electrical tests were not consistent. When the bike was started, the voltage looked good. As the bike got heated up, the voltage values dropped.

So I replaced the stator and the charging is now stellar. I had also bought a regulator, as it looked like that might be the issue too, though I have not replaced it yet. We will see. Unfortunately, I can't return it.

Either way, some extended test drives will determine if it is working correctly.

Thanks again for all the help!

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Glad you got it figured out...now you gotta get out and ride, maybe get together with some other XX'ers...thinking of a ride to Strats or CIP tomorrow nite...cheers.

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Hi all. Thanks for all the great advice.

It took me a while to get around to testing and ordering parts. The electrical tests were not consistent. When the bike was started, the voltage looked good. As the bike got heated up, the voltage values dropped.

So I replaced the stator and the charging is now stellar. I had also bought a regulator, as it looked like that might be the issue too, though I have not replaced it yet. We will see. Unfortunately, I can't return it.

Either way, some extended test drives will determine if it is working correctly.

Thanks again for all the help!

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Bret, Glad you got it sorted.

Hey might this have been you?

http://www.cbrxx.com/general-cbr-xx-...tml#post266813
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Glad you got it sorted out! I'm wondering if this is the same Bret that used to come to Redline Cycle back in the Eighties? If so, glad to see you're still ripping it up on two wheels!

Cheers, Patrick Elward (Redline Mgr 85-91)
Hehe! Yes that is me! Small world. ;-) Though this is a different BB than the one I bought there. That was a '97, I had it for about 5 years, and it got stolen out of my garage (GRR!). Within 2 weeks I found another BB, a '99, and still riding it today. I love this bike!

Bummed that Redline closed. So where are you working now Patrick? What is Jim doing these days?

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Hey Strek, I could not QUOTE your post. :-/ So I will see if I can just post.

Most likely! I exit at 59. Funny thing about this sighting is that was the day I knew I has an issue with my bikes charging. Once I got on the expressway, there was no problem, RPM's were up.

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