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Hey everyone, new rider/new member. Been riding since the beginning of summer on an 06 R6. Im mechanically inclined/familiar with cars but not so much with bikes so excuse the newb'ness. Anyway, are the K&N air filters worth the money and install and if so will I need any kind of tuning adjustments? I do not have a power commander or any kind of tuning mods.
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Thanks man, Ive been browsing the forum and seen some mods mention tech day to learn about riding and maintenance tips. When and where does this go down?
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Yep worth every penny. Just remember to clean it!
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You will not notice a measureable change in performance, but its nice being able to clean the filter.
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First...I have K&N filters on every motorcycle I own. I've been using them since they first became available in the early '70's on my flat track bikes. They are not only excellent they literally pay for themselves after a few servicings...The only advice I would give you is that they really do increase airflow...especially when you eliminate the stock airbox and use the clamp on or "pod" types. This could lead to a slight leaning of the air/fuel mixture. It may not even be noticable but if it is and all else remains stock it should be as easy as a half turn or so on your mixture screw to make it right. On newer bikes (with carbs) the mixture screw(s) is/are made inaccessable with a plug. The plugs are easy to remove, usually by drilling the plug out or drilling a small hole and using a pick or awl to pull it out. On bikes with fuel injection chances are the computer will compensate for you, but if not consult your service manual.
The most common mistake made with K&N filters is over oiling them when servicing...No worries...about 10 miles at expressway speeds and the airflow will take care of the problem for you.

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You will not notice a measureable change in performance, but its nice being able to clean the filter.
You definitely are not in tune with your bike yet then. all my bikes run them and there is a noticeable change in things. Nothing that makes me say WOW holy shit but there is a change

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You definitely are not in tune with your bike yet then. all my bikes run them and there is a noticeable change in things. Nothing that makes me say WOW holy shit but there is a change
I know when I put them on all of my cars there was a noticeable difference in throttle response. Looks like I will be purchasing one next weekend. Thanks man.
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all my bikes run them and there is a noticeable change in things. Nothing that makes me say WOW holy shit but there is a change[/QUOTE]

Totally agree....definitely not a wow factor, but you will notice the change in performance.
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Your R6 isn't fast enough? Seriously. Don't buy into all this noise about an airfilter making your bike faster.

Let me break it down to you... The piston moves up and down. The injectors squirt fuel down in the cumbustion chamber. The valves either allow fuel in or exhaust out... Air, fuel, exhaust.... Basically if you dont give the bike more fuel, more air means nothing. If you don't give the bike more exhaust, flow and fuel mean nothing. There has to be a match. Its all directly related. More fuel, more air, more exhaust. But be careful because you may tread water backwards. The Japanese engineer knew/knows what he's doing.

My question again... your R6 isn't fast enough?

You want to alter the air intake? Technically you should give it more fuel (power commander). You want good results from more air and more fuel? You need an exhaust... You with me? If that's not enough we are now bulding motors or buying 1000cc liter bikes.

But seriously... if that R6 isn't fast enough you have problems.

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Your R6 isn't fast enough? Seriously. Don't buy into all this noise about an airfilter making your bike faster.

Let me break it down to you... The piston moves up and down. The injectors squirt fuel down in the cumbustion chamber. The valves either allow fuel in or exhaust out... Air, fuel, exhaust.... Basically if you dont give the bike more fuel, more air means nothing. If you don't give the bike more exhaust, flow and fuel mean nothing. There has to be a match. Its all directly related. More fuel, more air, more exhaust. But be careful because you may tread water backwards. The Japanese engineer knew/knows what he's doing.

My question again... your R6 isn't fast enough?

You want to alter the air intake? Technically you should give it more fuel (power commander). You want good results from more air and more fuel? You need an exhaust... You with me? If that's not enough we are now building motors or buying 1000cc liter bikes.

But seriously... if that R6 isn't fast enough you have problems.
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Hey everyone, new rider/new member. Been riding since the beginning of summer on an 06 R6. Im mechanically inclined/familiar with cars but not so much with bikes so excuse the newb'ness. Anyway, are the K&N air filters worth the money and install and if so will I need any kind of tuning adjustments? I do not have a power commander or any kind of tuning mods.

I tend to spend my money on fuel and rubber. Or save your pennies for track days, when you don't get spanked at Blackhawk by Grasshopper on a 250 Ninja, then you might want consider making mods. What's the saying? Oh yeah "it's 80% rider and 20% bike"

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they are great untill the oil dries out and all the dirt goes through, check the throttle plates for a red-brown coating of goo
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elroy...shame on you...If you're experiencing the oil on your K&N filters drying out you're not servicing them at proper recommended intervals!

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I wouldn't change the air filter unless it is time to do so. Otherwise, it is just looking for a way/reason to spend money.

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Your R6 isn't fast enough? Seriously. Don't buy into all this noise about an airfilter making your bike faster.

Let me break it down to you... The piston moves up and down. The injectors squirt fuel down in the cumbustion chamber. The valves either allow fuel in or exhaust out... Air, fuel, exhaust.... Basically if you dont give the bike more fuel, more air means nothing. If you don't give the bike more exhaust, flow and fuel mean nothing. There has to be a match. Its all directly related. More fuel, more air, more exhaust. But be careful because you may tread water backwards. The Japanese engineer knew/knows what he's doing.

My question again... your R6 isn't fast enough?

You want to alter the air intake? Technically you should give it more fuel (power commander). You want good results from more air and more fuel? You need an exhaust... You with me? If that's not enough we are now bulding motors or buying 1000cc liter bikes.

But seriously... if that R6 isn't fast enough you have problems.
Im with the hopper here. I forgot all three of my bikes have more stuff down so i needed to have a custom map for each one done

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not interested in placebo hp gains. just interested in keeping a clean filter in my bike. one thing i will say is k&n oil filters are really nice if you have never tried one. the nut on the end makes it so much easier to change in a tight fit. ready for wire too. same price as oem.

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elroy...shame on you...If you're experiencing the oil on your K&N filters drying out you're not servicing them at proper recommended intervals!
i know better than to use one, but many years of working as a mechanic i have seen it dozens of times on other peoples bikes
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Your R6 isn't fast enough? Seriously. Don't buy into all this noise about an airfilter making your bike faster.

Let me break it down to you... The piston moves up and down. The injectors squirt fuel down in the cumbustion chamber. The valves either allow fuel in or exhaust out... Air, fuel, exhaust.... Basically if you dont give the bike more fuel, more air means nothing. If you don't give the bike more exhaust, flow and fuel mean nothing. There has to be a match. Its all directly related. More fuel, more air, more exhaust. But be careful because you may tread water backwards. The Japanese engineer knew/knows what he's doing.

My question again... your R6 isn't fast enough?

You want to alter the air intake? Technically you should give it more fuel (power commander). You want good results from more air and more fuel? You need an exhaust... You with me? If that's not enough we are now bulding motors or buying 1000cc liter bikes.

But seriously... if that R6 isn't fast enough you have problems.
No its fast enough no doubt. Just figured if i could get a little more oomph down low or throttle response for $50, why not? Id rather have the power and not need it incase of a situation I need to bail on like getting cut off or someone stealing my lane. But i get what your saying about the air fuel mixture, Ive built enough track cars. I wasnt sure how sensitive the computers are on bikes to compensate for a little extra air flow.
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No its fast enough no doubt. Just figured if i could get a little more oomph down low or throttle response for $50, why not? Id rather have the power and not need it incase of a situation I need to bail on like getting cut off or someone stealing my lane. But i get what your saying about the air fuel mixture, Ive built enough track cars. I wasnt sure how sensitive the computers are on bikes to compensate for a little extra air flow.
If you want alittle mor oomph then change your gearing in back and front

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Remember way back that there was a post on the SV board that the stock Suzuki filter flowed as well as the aftermarket one without requiring mods to fuel.
the best bang for the buck that you will really feel would be new sprockets and chain. Gearing will literally give you tons of felt thrust and really wake up the bike. When I regeared my 600 for the track I was amazed at the acceleration increase.

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No its fast enough no doubt. Just figured if i could get a little more oomph down low or throttle response for $50, why not? Id rather have the power and not need it incase of a situation I need to bail on like getting cut off or someone stealing my lane. But i get what your saying about the air fuel mixture, Ive built enough track cars. I wasnt sure how sensitive the computers are on bikes to compensate for a little extra air flow.
neither of those situations generally need more horsepower, rather they need more braking so you dont run into the back of the jackass

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No its fast enough no doubt. Just figured if i could get a little more oomph down low or throttle response for $50, why not? Id rather have the power and not need it incase of a situation I need to bail on like getting cut off or someone stealing my lane. But i get what your saying about the air fuel mixture, Ive built enough track cars. I wasnt sure how sensitive the computers are on bikes to compensate for a little extra air flow.
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**IF** you are going to religiously maintain the filter .... a K&N is a good economical filter.


If you are not..... they dry out and cause issues as Elroy pointed out.


As for performance .... Nick is frothing at the mouth a little .....but correct as usual.

It will not provide a really meaningful power gain .... in fact they flow a little better but most bikes have lean issues as stock anyway .... and more air makes it worse.


A power commander and a good tune will make your bike **much** more rideable ....



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No its fast enough no doubt. Just figured if i could get a little more oomph down low or throttle response for $50, why not? Id rather have the power and not need it incase of a situation I need to bail on like getting cut off or someone stealing my lane. But i get what your saying about the air fuel mixture, Ive built enough track cars. I wasnt sure how sensitive the computers are on bikes to compensate for a little extra air flow.
a better flowing air filter would have little to no effect down low compared to stock , the engines demand for airflow builds as the rpm's rise and the higher the RPM the more effect a better airfilter could have with all other factors being equal
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Better bang for your buck on the street would be to go +1 or 2 teeth on the rear sprocket. Or chain and track gearing like under200 said.

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Thanks for the replies everyone. Think ill wait on the air filter and put money towards better tires and brake lines. Sounds like itd be better to do the a/f with a tune or sprocket and chain instead. In either case id rather have control than speed. With a sprocket change, can speedos be calibrated? Guy at dgy said no. Riders just live with the incorrect reading. I know on cars its easy to compensate for a gear with quick ecu adjustment. I would think a bike with the technology isnt much different.
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