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So I've been searching around to find a tune shop in my area (Elgin) to get my 750 tuned. I was pretty set on this place called WIN Racing in Naperville, but I dont know. Any recommendations on a place you guys know will do a good job?
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Are they good with powercommanders?
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Chicago Performance is a tad closer to me than Win Racing. Is it worth going there instead?
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honestly thats just too far
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Racer Cafe in St. Charles.

That's where I go.

Will do any and all service.

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You sure they do dyno tunes? Checked their site and saw nothing on dynos.
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Hmm I would definitely go to ION hes the man. On one bike I bought that had a PC a tune was allegedly done well after he looked at it he laughed. He will pick the bike up and drop for you if needed and is Power commander certified.

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Is it a absolute must to get it tuned at a Dynojet certified tuner?
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Is it a absolute must to get it tuned at a Dynojet certified tuner?
No, it is not; Experience trumps 'certifications' any day.

Listen to the others on here; there's a reason they're telling you to go to Chicago Performance.

He does pickup and dropoff; what else do you need? A backrub?

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No. Much the same as it is a must to have a certified Suzuki mechanic work on your Suzuki. If somebody knows what they are doing and have the correct tools to work on your bike, you should get a superior job. Tuning bikes isn't really that difficult with a dyno, so all the people that say "oh he's the best" is pretty silly. It's like recommending a NASCAR pit crew manager to do your car tire change.

Now if you had a 600 hp turbo/nitrous setup and looking to gain a tenth in the quarter, I could see some experience coming into play here possibly. For street bikes with pretty standard setups, most anybody with a dyno and some experience can get you running perfectly. It comes down to price and location primarily.

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No. Much the same as it is a must to have a certified Suzuki mechanic work on your Suzuki. If somebody knows what they are doing and have the correct tools to work on your bike, you should get a superior job. Tuning bikes isn't really that difficult with a dyno, so all the people that say "oh he's the best" is pretty silly. It's like recommending a NASCAR pit crew manager to do your car tire change.

Now if you had a 600 hp turbo/nitrous setup and looking to gain a tenth in the quarter, I could see some experience coming into play here possibly. For street bikes with pretty standard setups, most anybody with a dyno and some experience can get you running perfectly. It comes down to price and location primarily.

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Damnit, looks like the dyno tune is going to have to be post poned. I realized I need to do the PAIR mod, or kleen air mod, to my bike in order to get a accurate tune. The PAIR puts air into the exhaust to remove any unburned gases leaving the exhaust, I guess it fucks with the A/F raito if its not capped off.

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The guy at Win Racing said he'll take care of it, guess tuners know about this. Anywyas I just got back from dropping it off and HOLY SHIT! Anyone ever experience rush hour going south on HWY 59......on a bike? Worst traffic I've ever been in, my god. Almost makes me wonder if it's worth it having a bike. Anyways I got to the shop and noticed I was low on gas, kinda pissed because I forgot to fill it up with the Shell gas I normally always get. He said he has pump gas, but I hope its quality 93 octane, preferably shell to be tuned with. Or would it not make too much difference if he tuned it with a different brand gas?

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One of the most frequently encountered problems this season is the issue of “bad gas”. While not involving flatulence, it just as big a problem.

We have had more fuel-related problems ranging from poor starting, hesitation, etc. to just plain “quit and won’t restart” this year than in any of the past 25 years we have been here.

A further explanation of the three different areas of concern with gasoline may be in order for those who wish to pursue it.

1.) OCTANE

This is the resistance to detonation the gasoline offers. The most common grades of gasoline are: REGULAR at 87 Octane; MID-GRADE at 87-90 Octane; PREMIUM at generally 93 Octane. Other custom-built racing gasolines can offer up to 125 Octane. Octane is an indicator of the speed at which the gasoline burns in the engine.

The higher the octane, the slower the speed of the burn; the lower the octane the faster the burn. If the burn is too fast, uncontrolled combustion can occur. This most often is heard as “pinging” and is commonly referred to as detonation. This is because instead of burning through top dead center of the combustion stroke, the entire charge is ignited too early and explodes in the chamber and acts as a bomb. Conversely, if the speed of the burn is too slow, it continues after the useful work can be done in the motor and manifests itself as poor throttle response, reduced power output and increased emissions and fuel consumption. An engineering fact: THE MOST HORSEPOWER IS MADE AT THE THRESHOLD OF DETONATION. We have often gained horsepower on the dyno and felt improved starting and driveability going from Premium grade gas to Regular. This change was recently quantified in a customer’s Ducati M900 by reducing the cranking time to start-up from 15 to 3 revolutions, although part of the improvement is explained below.

The multi-valve combustion chambers and their reduced flame front propagation distances in the modern engines virtually eliminates the need for high-octane gasoline.

2.) COMBUSTIBILITY

This is the ability of the gas to burn. As mentioned above, gasoline needs to burn to be of any value in the motor. Modern gasoline has been subject to formulation restrictions that now make it able to sit only 4 to 6 weeks after manufacture before its usefulness as a fuel is compromised due to reduced combustibility. This is basically a separate issue from the speed of the burn as controlled by octane.

The biggest issue is the fact that the “volatiles” in this new formulation evaporate very quickly.

The reason these “volatiles” are so important is that they are the part of the gasoline that affects starting and throttle response. That is why you can often feel the difference between individual tanks of gas when it comes to starting, cold running and acceleration at lower rpms. The evaporation of these volatiles leaves a thicker, more viscous residue that becomes difficult for the carburetor to break up into combustible droplets. This sludge will adhere to the intake runner walls or goo its way into the combustion chamber.

This difference becomes more pronounced with carbureted bikes using a hemi-style engine design (Harleys, Viragos, BMW, Ducati, etc.) as opposed to 4-valve and/or fuel injected motors.

One of the recurring themes in these problems has been the use of Premium gasoline.

There are no 4-valves bikes made in the last 20 years that need premium gasoline for normal street use. Very few of the 2-valve bikes need it either. One of the problems with premium is the fact that it is not used as much and sits in underground tanks much longer than the other grades, with the attending evaporation of the volatiles present at manufacture. This coupled with the more efficient combustion chambers used today makes the problem even worse. A second issue is the different ways used to achieve that higher octane. Each company has a different formulation, and with the high horsepower to displacement ratios of the newer bikes, tuning for this can be an issue.

A good rule of thumb is if the bike doesn’t ping and runs acceptably with regular, DON’T use Premium. Regular is sold faster, is fresher and will generally start easier and have better throttle response than the higher octane gasolines. Not nearly as many cars use premium as they can compensate for the lower octane of regular with built-in detonation sensors to compensate for the octane, thus further reducing the amount of premium sold. Most underground tanks hold in excess of 4,000 gallons of gas, so with primarily motorcyclists buying it three or four gallons at a time, it will be there quite awhile. Also as the level in the tank drops it affords more opportunity for the volatiles to evaporate. It doesn’t matter what the owner’s manual or your friends say. We have often GAINED horsepower on the dyno when we took away octane.

We have had to make arrangements to properly dispose of all the gas that makes a bike run terribly, but works fine in a car or truck. So try a tankful or two of regular and see how the starting and performance changes. If the bike is unhappy, go back to what you were using before, but bear in mind the information here and be ready to switch if things change.

3.) ETHANOL

A component of gasoline that is seeing increased use is ethanol. A member of the alcohol family, it is produced by vegetable matter (not just corn). Ethanol has three physical characteristics that distinguish it.

First, it has 30% fewer BTUs (British Thermal Units) per pound than gasoline. This means that a gallon of ethanol produces less power in an undiluted comparison with a gallon of gasoline and a corresponding reduction in power as percentage of its addition to gasoline (eg: 10% ethanol produces 3% less power with the same jetting). The E85 blend (15% gasoline, 85% ethanol) produces documented losses of mileage of 30-36%.

Second, the detonation suppression characteristics of ethanol and its cousin methanol allow it to be used to raise the effective octane of gasoline it is added to. Gasoline blenders will use this to build the higher octane numbers of mid-grade and premium gasoline. Ethanol’s reduced cost per gallon makes this very attractive. E85 is generally $0.50-0.60 cheaper per gallon than even the 10% dosed gasoline.

Third is the affinity of ethanol for water. Gas line de-icer is made of either methanol or isopropyl alcohol, chemical relatives of ethanol. This means water in the air will be drawn into the fuel. This accelerates the fuel’s degradation and decreases combustibility as explained in section 2. While the exposure to air is reduced in fuel-injected applications, it still is a factor. Combined with the alkaline reactivity of ethanol, fuel system components can suffer.

One other aspect of the ethanol content is just that. When the pump says “may contain up to 10% ethanol,” it may legally contain up to 20% by law, allowing for “error.” At this point in history, the use of ethanol is primarily a politically driven issue. The logic of the use of ethanol in the current format is flawed.

a) It costs more to produce a gallon than it sells for.

b) It accelerates the deterioration of gasoline in storage, even with the use of a
stabilizer.

c) It reduces the power and mileage in all conventional applications.

To allow the proper use of ethanol, compression ratios, cam timing, ignition timing, and jetting/fuel mapping need different configurations. While cams, ignition, and fuel can be adjusted on the fly, compression ratios are not easily or quickly changed. Having run alcohol-burning combinations for 25 years, this is an empirically determined fact.

One of the other less-publicized aspects of the ethanol debate is the fact that there is a $0.54 per gallon tariff on imported ethanol. Just ask your elected representative why this is. Politicians can’t regulate politics much less be trusted to properly regulate the economics and engineering aspects of normal lives. The ethanol debacle is continuing proof of that.

The final pinprick in the balloon of ethanol is the fact that last fall, we switched from BP gas with ethanol to Shell gasoline without ethanol and our gasoline problems have virtually disappeared, to our great delight.

So, if there is a choice – DO NOT USE ETHANOL-BLENDED GASOLINE! Only pure regular gasoline (read the pump carefully). A good way to avoid problems such as this is to be certain you buy gasoline at a name-brand station. The neighborhood convenience store buys gas from a broker, so you have no idea what it is. That gasoline is purchased by price, not specification

Remember- always buy brand name fuels, and avoid ethanol, to reduce the potential entertainment that accompanies poor quality gasoline.

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updated 10/23/07

GASOLINE UPDATE

Well the know-nothings in government have finally done it!! In the Madison Wisconsin area, and I suspect around the country the pressure exerted by the disciples of George W, which includes nearly every politician by their actions regardless of party affiliation, have forced the ethanol literally down our throats.

The last hold out on Madison’s west side, Hilldale Shell will be forced to sell ethanol-dosed Regular and Mid-Grade gasoline as of Sunday July 13, 2008. Bennett’s Sinclair at the corner of Airport road and the Old Beltline still sells real gas as of this date, but the inexorable tide of ignorance may have those days numbered by sheer economic pressure.

Everything we have been suggesting is now called into direct question, and justifiably so. Ethanol is still crap and doesn’t belong in motor fuel in this climate. There is a 46 cent per gallon government subsidy on corn-based ethanol and a 54 cent per gallon tariff on sugar-cane based ethanol from Brazil. That is a $ 1.00 per gallon swing in pricing just from government interference WITHOUT the taxes. Write your elected representatives and bitch them out for taking it upon themselves to control your choices in transportation. We have handed the control of our transport and food prices to people who are lucky if they can find their way home at night.

Ethanol still reduces mileage in the vehicles it is run in, absorbs moisture from the surrounding atmosphere, has the potential to carry acids with it into the fuel system and ruin injectors and pumps (due to shoddy processing and storage), and STILL cost more per gallon to produce than it yields.

In the recent past Regular grade gasoline was built from an 87 Octane base stock, with Mid-Grade built using a bit of ethanol as a rule. Premium characteristically did not use ethanol to gain its octane, but its slow sales (18% of the volume in a typical market, with Mid-Grade selling 6-10%) caused concern from stale product. Now the evil geniuses in the gasoline industry will be using an 84 Octane base stock to build their regular and further dosing the product to achieve the needed octane ratings. Premium, in Shell’s case will still not contain ethanol, but will be priced 20 to 30 cents per gallon higher than Regular. There is also talk of reducing Premium’s octane rating to 91 from the current 93.

Now we will move on the practical side of dealing with this mess. The question now is whether the presence of ethanol in all Regular and Mid-Grade gasolines will drive enough consumers to the Premium to drive sales to the point that the product’s freshness is no longer an issue. Only the next couple of months will tell that. I will be keeping in touch with the retailers in our area to track changes in buying habits. In the meantime try to find a retailer who orders NON-Ethanol Premium with every load of Regular to assure the best chance of fresh product. The presence of Ethanol is worse than too much octane if both products are fresh. We will be testing the behavior of Premium in the shop environment over the next three weeks and will report on its behavior under controlled circumstances.

The addition of Ethanol and the attending reduction in performance and mileage has been documented for years and the expanding “Dead Zone” in the Gulf of Mexico has been attributed to the additional fertilizer runoff due to the additional acreage planted in ethanol-destined corn. So you can thank the government being pushed around by big business (Oil and Agribusiness) for making food more expensive, increased fuel consumption, and making vehicles run like crap.

WRITE YOU ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND TELL THEM TO GET THEIR HANDS OUT OF YOUR POCKETS AND TO QUIT FORCING YOU TO BUY ETHANOL!!!!

YOU ARE PAYING RECORD HIGH PRICES FOR THE WORST GASOLINES EVER OFFERED!!!!

© Bill Whisenant 2008
written 7/12/08

"I pity the poor people who don't ride motorcycles"
-Malcolm Smith, champion motorcycle racer

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