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advice on suspension

Since there aren't many motorcycle threads anymore, I thought I'd throw out this one

lately my V-11's steering feels extremely light/numb. the last major item happens to be a new set of tires (which is probably a big part of the issue), but is there a way to compensate by adjusting the suspension to have better fee? it has Marzocchi forks (adjustable for preload and damping) and shock (adjustable for preload damping and rebound), plus a steering damper (maybe this is also set to stiff or too light for what I'm experiencing?)

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did you change tire sizes?

what tires were on there/ are on there now?

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I feel like an idiot for even throwing my shit box into this thread but I have been thinking of tinkering with the Susp on my HD.......not kidding

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did you change tire sizes?

what tires were on there/ are on there now?
Same size tires, different make (from metzlers to continentals)

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We need to check your steering head bearings.

Put the bike on a rear stand or even the kickstand. Sit on your ass infront of the bike with both legs on either side of the front wheel. Put your feet up on the header pipe for leverage and pull on the front wheel and see if there is any play in the steering head bearings. Also with the bike standing straight up and you sitting on the bike. When you turn the bars left to right (lock to lock) does it feel notchy?

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We need to check your steering head bearings.

Put the bike on a rear stand or even the kickstand. Sit on your ass infront of the bike with both legs on either side of the front wheel. Put your feet up on the header pipe for leverage and pull on the front wheel and see if there is any play in the steering head bearings. Also with the bike standing straight up and you sitting on the bike. When you turn the bars left to right (lock to lock) does it feel notchy?

Confirm this before moving forward.
no slop in the steering (only has 4k miles on the odo)

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And define "Light / numb". I don't understand what that means.

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no slop in the steering (only has 4k miles on the odo)
Just because it has 4k doesn't mean there isn't slop. Did you check what I told you? If so that was quick.

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A new tire of a different brand could have a substantially different profile which could give a different feel as well. The same size tire different manufacturer can be a totally different profile, ride height, curvature of the tire.

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Just because it has 4k doesn't mean there isn't slop. Did you check what I told you? If so that was quick.
I've checked about a week ago going to generic websites. no play or nothcy-ness.

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A new tire of a different brand could have a substantially different profile which could give a different feel as well. The same size tire different manufacturer can be a totally different profile, ride height, curvature of the tire.
that's what I was afraid of.....it did have a gripier feel with the metzlers

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And define "Light / numb". I don't understand what that means.
no feeling of contact with the road. turns used to be heavier and planted. now it feels like there is no grip

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Elaborate on light / numb. Conti tires in my opinion are garbage. Take a set of my race Michelin race tire take offs and throw them on there just to see. Bring a case of beer and a bottle of Beam and you can have the best set in the pile.

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Elaborate on light / numb. Conti tires in my opinion are garbage. Take a set of my race Michelin race tire take offs and throw them on there just to see. Bring a case of beer and a bottle of Beam and you can have the best set in the pile.
probably a good option (assuming they are 120/70 and 180/55 17's)

Thanks for your insight as well

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Yes they are those tire sizes. I have 3 huge stacks of them. I ran new tires every race day all this season. Each set of tires has 18 to 24 laps. Then I put a new set on.

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And define "Light / numb". I don't understand what that means.
found this last night:

http://archive.guzzitech.com/V11SportWobble-Todd_E.html

what is said best describes what I'm experiencing...a very light footed feeling at speed.

Granted I am the furthest thing from a hardcore rider, but given the suggestions listed in the link, do you agree with them, or are they just grabbing at straws? (since you know the science of riding more than me, I'd like to get your opinion before messing with suspension geometry).

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If the character changed when you changed the tires, I would look no further.

Good advice on checking the head bearings .... but it is probably the tire profile.


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found this last night:

http://archive.guzzitech.com/V11SportWobble-Todd_E.html

what is said best describes what I'm experiencing...a very light footed feeling at speed.

Granted I am the furthest thing from a hardcore rider, but given the suggestions listed in the link, do you agree with them, or are they just grabbing at straws? (since you know the science of riding more than me, I'd like to get your opinion before messing with suspension geometry).

Thanks again!
I agree with what they are saying in the article to certain extent. They are ultametly performing a base line suspension setup. Here's the thing though. One person's suspension setup is always going to be different than the others. We all have a different feel. We all ride motorcycles differently.You and I could be the same height, weight and size and I like my suspension setup differently than you. A lot of boils down to the riding you do. Also, just like we talked about before regarding different tires and how they have different profiles and feels a suspesion setup will change with different brands and types of tires. I ran Michelins all year road racing. If I were to go to a Dunlop we would basically have to start all over with our setup. Yes no shit I am not kidding. Both of my SV superbikes are setup for Michelins. I hear Pirellis are close but I cannot confirm that because I haven't tried a set.

So ultimately what you need to do if you want to keep the new tires you put on the bike is take the bike for a base line suspension setup. Set your sag. If you can't achieve the proper sag number you need to swap springs. I would put all the clickers for compression and rebound right smack dab in the middle. I hope this helps.

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I like every think Grasshopper has said but he left out one option.

Try this...
less front preload more rear spring preload.This adds more front weight bias adding front tire feel.

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did you set the pressures on the new tires or are at whatever from the guy that mounted them?

I ask because its not uncommon at all to see pressures in the high 40s from seating the beads and having crazy tire pressure will affect handling feel

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did you set the pressures on the new tires or are at whatever from the guy that mounted them?

I ask because its not uncommon at all to see pressures in the high 40s from seating the beads and having crazy tire pressure will affect handling feel
set at factory spec (36 front 40 back)

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always wondered what this was all about....no sense trying to search for its origin since its been referenced 100's of times.

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I like every think Grasshopper has said but he left out one option.

Try this...
less front preload more rear spring preload.This adds more front weight bias adding front tire feel.
Worth giving a shot.....seems like this option is the least complex.

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Look, I can appreciate this. I was young too, I felt just like you. Hated authority, hated all my bosses, thought they were full of shit. Look, it's like they say, if you're not a rebel by the age of 20, you got no heart, but if you haven't turned establishment by 30, you've got no brains. Because there are no story-book romances, no fairy-tale endings. So before you run out and change the world, ask yourself, "What do you really want?"
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[QUOTE=BanditCPA;2266914]always wondered what this was all about....QUOTE]

LOL Thats why I posted it
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slide the forks up to compensate
This will also add front weight bias.

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This will also add front weight bias.
update...just got my bike back from the dealer to fix a stuck seat latch issue, and the front-end issue was caused by too much preload on the forks, and not enough on the rear shock.

he mentioned that the bike isn't designed like the traditional sport bike with the engine pushed towards the front. The Guzzis have the weight more towards the center and adding rider weight shifts the balance towards the back. (if anyone was really interested anyway )

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Well then......

thanks for the update.

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