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Hmm?

Ok fellas tell me why .
You should check you valve clearance?

tell me why ?

your Whole front end clanks when you apply the front brakes?

tell me why?

Your bike seems to rev faster than it used to?

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Valves control fuel coming into the combustion chamber and exhaust leaving the combustion chamber. By not having valves seated properly you could be allowing unburnt fuel to go directly out your exhaust instead of being combusted and generating power. So that means your losing power and your losing fuel economy. Another thing is they are designed to only be open for a certain duration so if they are out of sync and staying open or closed outside of there window then you could have an untunable engine, low power output, or just a heavy paperweight if its bad enough.

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Ok fellas tell me why .
You should check you valve clearance?

tell me why ?

your Whole front end clanks when you apply the front brakes?

tell me why?

Your bike seems to rev faster than it used to?
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Valves control fuel coming into the combustion chamber and exhaust leaving the combustion chamber. By not having valves seated properly you could be allowing unburnt fuel to go directly out your exhaust instead of being combusted and generating power. So that means your losing power and your losing fuel economy. Another thing is they are designed to only be open for a certain duration so if they are out of sync and staying open or closed outside of there window then you could have an untunable engine, low power output, or just a heavy paperweight if its bad enough.
Shit I could have not said it better.(that's for sure).

The biggest thing you left out (and its a big thing )Is that when a valve does not close completely I allows carbon to build up on the valve seat leading to the $1K head rebuild.

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By not having valves seated properly you could be allowing unburnt fuel to go directly out your exhaust instead of being combusted and generating power. So that means your losing power and your losing fuel economy. Another thing is they are designed to only be open for a certain duration so if they are out of sync and staying open or closed outside of there window then you could have an untunable engine, low power output, or just a heavy paperweight if its bad enough.

Are you kidding me? I can see why someone like you would just pick Ventura as president and a radio jockey.


"valves seated properly"
what does that have to do with valve clearances?
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Ok fellas tell me why .
You should check you valve clearance?

tell me why ? Because valves tighten over time. Never chase a cunt hair

your Whole front end clanks when you apply the front brakes?

tell me why? Lose brake caliper, no oil in the fork tubes, something broken in the forks

Your bike seems to rev faster than it used to?Hmmmm... Rev faster or idles faster? Why?
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Doing some wrenching myself. I did some upgrades to thr A superbike and probably was able to take several pounds off of it. I'm also building a street bike to clown around on which will have some cool parts on it to.








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cause valves stretch over time
cause steering stem bearing get sloppy over time
cause piston rings wear and valve springs weaken over time
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Some other lighweight upgrades.

Shaved down and lightened axle adjusters





Aluminum vs Steel front counter shaft nut and spacer



Plastic Vs Metal access plugs to get at flywheel



Titanium and aluminum motor mount bolts and spacers that push motor into place.




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I think that should take off some weight. I'm trying to get the SV down to around 300 pounds with, 1 gallon of fuel, oil and coolant in it. We will see once we put it on the scales.

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Are you kidding me? I can see why someone like you would just pick Ventura as president and a radio jockey.


"valves seated properly"
what does that have to do with valve clearances?
If its not clearanced properly then how will they be seated properly? It all affects each other. Now run away troll, your not wanted here. Big people are talking now.

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With the valves I was thinking about how the carbon will build up on the valve face.( I always like to set my to the loose side)

With the front end. I was thinking about bad neck bearings. It's a strange feeling once you've felt it, you'll never forget.

A slipping clutch will make a motor seem to rev faster.Another strange effect on the bike you'll never forget.

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If its not clearanced properly then how will they be seated properly? It all affects each other. Now run away troll, your not wanted here. Big people are talking now.

"seated properly"
you make sure you do that when you rebuild the head by lapping the valves into the valve seats. Wow, basic engine building class.

Now what does valve clearance have to do with your answer?


"Now run away troll"
I'm talking about engines, so where did I talk about something that isn't on topic of said discussion?
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I think that should take off some weight. I'm trying to get the SV down to around 300 pounds with, 1 gallon of fuel, oil and coolant in it. We will see once we put it on the scales.
How many pounds before?

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"seated properly"
you make sure you do that when you rebuild the head by lapping the valves into the valve seats. Wow, basic engine building class.

Now what does valve clearance have to do with your answer?


"Now run away troll"
I'm talking about engines, so where did I talk about something that isn't on topic of said discussion?
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Will any of that bickering make your bike faster?

Gus's fast garage bikes 101 can.

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With the valves I was thinking about how the carbon will build up on the valve face.( I always like to set my to the loose side)

With the front end. I was thinking about bad neck bearings. It's a strange feeling once you've felt it, you'll never forget.

A slipping clutch will make a motor seem to rev faster.Another strange effect on the bike you'll never forget.

theoretically, carbon on the valve face will make the clearance bigger though right? wouldn't you set them on the tight side to counter that?
do you see much carbon buildup on the faces? With the valves I've looked at the faces are typically pretty clean, most of the buildup was on the head and base of the stem.

good call on the cutch, I didn't think of that one.
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Some other lighweight upgrades.

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Aluminum vs Steel front counter shaft nut and spacer



Plastic Vs Metal access plugs to get at flywheel



Titanium and aluminum motor mount bolts and spacers that push motor into place.



Why don't you just use Ti hardware and save yourself time and get it below 300 a whole lot easier?
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Why don't you just use Ti hardware and save yourself time and get it below 300 a whole lot easier?
Have you ever priced Ti hardware? This kit is a g note. LOL!


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theoretically, carbon on the valve face will make the clearance bigger though right? wouldn't you set them on the tight side to counter that?
do you see much carbon buildup on the faces? With the valves I've looked at the faces are typically pretty clean, most of the buildup was on the head and base of the stem.

good call on the cutch, I didn't think of that one.
With the valve properly closing it helps to cool the valve while preventing build up on the face.
The valve seat does not show carbon as on the stem.It will appear as little black spots on the seat.After many cycles it will dent the valve face and seat.

Another important factor with valve clearance will be a smooth closing of the valve .To much clearance will allow the valve to slam shut.

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With the valve properly closing it helps to cool the valve while preventing build up on the face.
The valve seat does not show carbon as on the stem.It will appear as little black spots on the seat.After many cycles it will dent the valve face and seat.

Another important factor with valve clearance will be a smooth closing of the valve .To much clearance will allow the valve to slam shut.
Gus, how thick is a cunt hair?

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Twice as thick as the regular ones.
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