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Yes, get the hell outta hear and live up that warm climate 35 49.30%
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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-02-2008, 05:06 PM Thread Starter
 
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Phoenix, Arizona vs Chicago, IL

I may have the ability to relocate with my job to Phoenix Arizona. I'm wondering who has lived anywhere else that has an opinion on plus's and minuses of moving to this warm desert climate compared to Chicago.

Here are factors.
-I have a long term girlfriend that will be moving with me, but is totally ready to go right now as she hates the cold.
-Job would not change nor would pay.
-Wouldn't have to pay for the move company pays.
-Currently have a sports car which absolutely sucks in the winter. 350Z
-Confirmed 3 road course tracks in Phoenix. More in Vegas and LA of course.
-It's freaking hot in Phoenix in Summer, but wouldn't I just lay in my pool during those months?
-Winter is awesome in Phoenix.
-Home prices are about 30% cheaper then what they are in Chicagoland.
-Commute would cut from 1 hour each way to about 30 minutes, and I could ride my motorcycle to work!
-No basements in Phoenix. down with that I would prefer a basement.

Who has lived outside of Chicago in warm climate that can tell me what they think? Move or no move.
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-Home prices are about 30% cheaper then what they are in Chicagoland.
There is a reason - less demand. Just move there and you will find out why.
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you know, for a five year plan, I'd go for it. It would be a great experience and you can always fly up north to visit us in our 'cooler' summer months.

I wish I had lived somewhere else when I was younger, but for now, I'm waiting til I'm 70 and then I'm moving to south america or some other third world country. That way, I'll just live forever.
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Home prices may be cheaper but property tax is way higher. IL is not as expensive as you think. I wish I'd never left, because now I've sort of locked myself out of ever yeturning, and it sucks.
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I went to ASU and lived there for 5 years.

Reasons I wouldn't do it:

If your not getting a pay raise be aware that the overall cost of living is higher for food, ammo, gas, etc.

Unless you will have a confirmed carport or garage, the heat will trash your car when your not driving it - including the exterior paint and the interior.

Registration for you car plates is based on the value of your car, so if you have a nice car it can cost hundreds or THOUSANDS a year for your plates.

Remember, you will have to pay a ton in utilities to keep your abode cool.

Downtown Phoenix makes Cabrini look like a country club.

Even with the carry laws, theft is rampant.

You will not enjoy riding your bike in that heat and dust - it wasn't worth it for me and I only rode occasionally in the evenings.

The only thing I thought that was great about Arizona was its close proximity to premier skiing in northern Cal, Utah, Colorado - etc. But I blew my knee out, and dont ski anymore, so there would be no reason for me to want to go back.

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I know this doesn't matter to you yet, but I looked at moving there a year ago and it doesn't look like a good place to raise kids. Just a thought in case you get stuck there long term. Good luck with your decision.
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I hate the cold but I hate the heat even more, then again most people aren't like me. I've never been to Phoenix but I've lived in Orlando for a year and I would never ever want to ride in 100+ degree weather... ever. I think the only advantage to moving down there is it is hot judging from what everyone else is saying. You'll get sick of the heat and wish for a snowy holiday season. Besides, there's winter sports too
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I agree that most of Phoenix from a location and home construction standpoint is a dump, but Scottsdale is OK. Scottsdale has better construction and overall quality than Phoenix and is NOT 30% less than IL. There isn't anywhere near the quality and variety Chicago nightlife and dining in the Phoenix area. Lots O Plastic People hanging at the better spots. You can get bored quick. It may be me, but when I'm there I find it significantly more expensive than Chgo.

Still, for a 5 year plan to see how the other 1/2 lives it isn't bad. Getting away from the snow doesn't hurt either. 110 in the shade during the summer can be tough.

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Home prices may be cheaper but property tax is way higher. IL is not as expensive as you think. I wish I'd never left, because now I've sort of locked myself out of ever yeturning, and it sucks.
I would argue that Texas doesn't have higher taxes overall because you don't have to pay State Income Tax. They should wash out and then you still get more house for the money on top of that and don't have to deal with the cold. Now if you are near Houston it's Humid as hell so I feel ya there. lol
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You have some good points, but not all will matter in my case. I put responses in each.

Thanks for your input the ones that I agree on are definately something to look into.

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I went to ASU and lived there for 5 years.

Reasons I wouldn't do it:

If your not getting a pay raise be aware that the overall cost of living is higher for food, ammo, gas, etc.

Food is more you are correct, Ammo no concern, Gas is cheaper in Arizona. It was 2.85 today I asked my buddy. I also get better gas mileage in the dead of summer with my AC on then I do right now during Winter due to the increased warmup time for the SUV and the heat running.

Unless you will have a confirmed carport or garage, the heat will trash your car when your not driving it - including the exterior paint and the interior.

House with a 2 or 3 car garage for sure. No vehicles outside.

Registration for you car plates is based on the value of your car, so if you have a nice car it can cost hundreds or THOUSANDS a year for your plates.

Very very good point! Damn that hurts I remember someone telling me that!

Remember, you will have to pay a ton in utilities to keep your abode cool.

Utilities are actually cheaper in Arizona per sites I have looked at.

Downtown Phoenix makes Cabrini look like a country club.

I heard there are it's bad parts, but Southern Chicago is also a shithole.

Even with the carry laws, theft is rampant.

Yes absolutely true, but to be honest theft doesn't seem to be stopped where I live now since my SUV got broken into last year and my bike stolen this year.

You will not enjoy riding your bike in that heat and dust - it wasn't worth it for me and I only rode occasionally in the evenings.

Today it was 72 degrees in Arizona. Did you not ride in the winter?

The only thing I thought that was great about Arizona was its close proximity to premier skiing in northern Cal, Utah, Colorado - etc. But I blew my knee out, and dont ski anymore, so there would be no reason for me to want to go back.
Yes, skiing in Flagstaff, Vegas 4 hours away, San Diego and LA very close. I do triathlons so love to be able to train all year round. Area is great for that.
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i grew up in san diego lived in montreal for a few years and now chicago area 2 years.

AZ sounds like it would be to hot in the summer and winter nights in the desert can get cold
you will get temp changes of 50deg. in the winter, in 24 hours. no joke

hands down san diego has the best weather in north america
i hate the tropical climate of florida

even LA sucks compared to SD

and im in the same boat you are
my company has an office 10 minutes from where i grew up and "if" they offer me enough money to go back i might take it.
but so-cal is a mad house
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I lived out there for 3 years...yeah dead of summer sux but you get used to that...its only ungodley hot for around 75 days a year and I always rode at night...there is a huge crew that meets up in tempe and rides from about 9pm till the sun comes up on weekends.
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I would argue that Texas doesn't have higher taxes overall because you don't have to pay State Income Tax. They should wash out and then you still get more house for the money on top of that and don't have to deal with the cold. Now if you are near Houston it's Humid as hell so I feel ya there. lol
The diff btw IL and TX might be a wash, but AZ seems rather expensive. Also, I'd reiterate what others were saying in that the schools in IL are fabulous. In TX I know they suck, and I've heard negative things about schools in AZ although I admit it's just hearsay. You might get more house for your money in the south, and the heat is easy to get used to...but I don't know if I really think it's better. Once you leave it's hard to come back...THAT I know.

The average tax rate on homes in Arizona is approximately 1.3% of market value, or 13% of assessed value. (So if your home is assessed at $350,000, and your property taxes were exactly at the average 1.3%, you'd be paying $4,550 per year in property tax.)

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and, this might help. obviously skewed towards retirees, but gives basic info on one page
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I have a good friend who is a principal at a school in Phoenix, you wouldn't believe the horror stories he tells. The school system is just garbage out there, he loves his job because he feels like he's making a difference (I believe that he is too), but he says there's no way he'd raise a family out there. DuPage county education FTW.


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I have a good friend who is a principal at a school in Phoenix, you wouldn't believe the horror stories he tells. The school system is just garbage out there, he loves his job because he feels like he's making a difference (I believe that he is too), but he says there's no way he'd raise a family out there. DuPage county education FTW.


BTW, to give you an idea of how bad education is out there, he's 24 years old and is already a principal, they're very hard up for decent help (that is, every other principal they had before him gave up on the school).
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"Back when I was young and thought I could make a difference..."

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Why not try it and take the change might be worth it in the end.

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Why not try it and take the change might be worth it in the end.
Because it's not as easy to move back as you think. 8 years ago I said "it's only for two years!"
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Seems to me like there are more pros than cons just by reading your list in your post.

I can not wait to retire and move to Arizona. Unfortunatetly, because of how many years I have to put in to get my full pension, Muskrat and I have about 27 years until then...but it is something I look forward to. We went there last Spring, in March, and I did not want to leave at all.

I say, do it!
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It just sounds appropriate.
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The diff btw IL and TX might be a wash, but AZ seems rather expensive. Also, I'd reiterate what others were saying in that the schools in IL are fabulous. In TX I know they suck, and I've heard negative things about schools in AZ although I admit it's just hearsay. You might get more house for your money in the south, and the heat is easy to get used to...but I don't know if I really think it's better. Once you leave it's hard to come back...THAT I know.

The average tax rate on homes in Arizona is approximately 1.3% of market value, or 13% of assessed value. (So if your home is assessed at $350,000, and your property taxes were exactly at the average 1.3%, you'd be paying $4,550 per year in property tax.)

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and, this might help. obviously skewed towards retirees, but gives basic info on one page
http://www.retirementliving.com/RLstate1.html
So Property taxes are cheap in Arizona, because Dupage county is about 2.5%. I can't find a newere house in Dupage county for taxes less than 5K that is around $325 in price. State Income tax will most likely be higher in Arizona than I am paying here because of the flat rate that we have and I keep going into the higher tax brackets as my income grows. Sales tax in Dupage is like 7.5 so I'll see an increase there as well. Good things to consider.

I'm not having kids so the schools I'm not concerned about at all. I grew up in nowhereville, IA as well so my schools always sucked.

Thanks very much for your input you've been really helpful.

I called my buddy who moved there this summer from Chicago. He's lived in Chicago for about 10 years and now has lived in Arizona since about June. He said it was 72 degrees yesterday at 4 pm and he was going to a restaurant in flip flops and shorts. Damn that really made me want out. He said there are bad parts like someone on here said, but no different than our area with Cicero, Berwyn, South Chicago, etc. He said the summer in Arizona he'd rather take 115 out there then our 90 degree humid days we have here.

Keep them opinions coming folks. Thanks.
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Seems to me like there are more pros than cons just by reading your list in your post.

I can not wait to retire and move to Arizona. Unfortunatetly, because of how many years I have to put in to get my full pension, Muskrat and I have about 27 years until then...but it is something I look forward to. We went there last Spring, in March, and I did not want to leave at all.

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I'm actually from the desert Southwest, the next state over... NM. I spent the first 20 years of my life in New Mexico and went to AZ quite a few times.

If you've never been there is is very very different than the Midwest. If I were you I'd take a trip out there for a week and see how you like it. Everyone can give you their opinion on the area, but you know what they say about opinions.

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I have homes in both places and after living 15 years in the suburbs of Chicago, I currently reside in the suburbs of Phoenix.

My property taxes in DuPage County are over 2X (actually closer to 3X) what I pay in Maricopa County. Comparing inner-city Phoenix schools to suburban (Scottsdale, Gilbert, Paradise Valley etc.) schools is like comparing an inner-city Chicago high school to New Trier....apples to oranges.

A quick general comparison:
Housing = PHX cheaper
Commute = PHX
Job Market = toss-up
Hospitals = Chicago/DuPage
Salary = same/similar for Professional
Groceries = PHX cheaper
Gas = PHX is at $2.79/gallon
Taxes = PHX cheaper
Nightlife = Chicago
Sports Teams = Chicago
Sports Fans = Chicago
Restaurants = Chicago
Grade/High Schools = Chicago/DuPage
Universities = Chicago/Midwest
People = Chicago/Midwest
Outdoor activities = PHX
Weather = PHX (110F at 6% humidity beats 95F at 85% humidity)
Riding = PHX (year round, no rain)
Racing/Trackdays = PHX
Dirt Bikes = PHX
Culture = Chicago
Diversity = Chicago
Crime = toss-up
Politics = Chicago
Airport = PHX

As you can see, neither place is perfect. In PHX we don't have basements, but I have a large outdoor patio area I spend most of my time out on. In Chicago I always felt like I was 1,000 miles away from everything....in PHX it's a few hours to the coast, Vegas, snow etc. The sun is no harder on our cars than the snow, road salt, sand, ice, rain is in Chicago. In PHX it's HOT - won't lie to you. People here are more outdoor activity oriented and stereotypically in better shape. In Chicago people seem to enjoy a laugh, here it's pretty PC. I have arthritis so the PHX weather (hot/dry) really suits me.

Phoenix is where I live, Chicago will always be my home.
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That is something you have to go with your gut. If you love chicago and can't picture ever leaving, don't go. Cause you might get stuck there and can't get back and you will not be a happy person.
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Thanks everyone. I'm leaning towards going I don't love Chicago at any rate. It's nice and all, but I don't care about the diverse restaurants, heavy nightlife, diversity, politics, sports teams, schools, and the others that I can't think of right now.

I appreciate everyones feedback and I think I'm taking the job if the settle on Phoenix. Last I heard it was between Phoenix and Denver, but Phoenix makes more sense because of it's proximity to California. There is way more money to be made in California than Colorado that is for sure, so I can't see my company sticking a bunch of sales people out in Denver to sell to the skiiers. lol.

All I can think of is the fact that I can buy something like this and build a badass personal offroad park on it! 16,000 acres now wtf would I do with all that. Who cares cuz it's only 50K. I had 10 acres that I did it on with 4 wheelers in high school/college and it was the shit.

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