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we should give until it hurts. 2 10.53%
i give out of guilt. 2 10.53%
giving is a moral responsibility. 13 68.42%
i tend to donate only when huge disasters happen. 2 10.53%
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i saw something this weekend and it made me wonder where we all fall on the donation yardstick.

how much is enough and why?

do you give out of moral responsibility? do you give out of guilt?

do you give until it hurts? tithe (10%)?

do you only tend to give when huge disasters happen?

americans are generous - giving over $300 billion last year but this is 2.2% of our incomes. is this truly generous?

also percentage of giving decreases with increase in income.
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How about an option for: I don't donate money.

I don't give money, because I don't trust that the organizations are going to use it for what I intended it for. Most are scamming crooks, but I'm sure there are honest charities out there.

Instead, I'll donate my time directly, or I'll get deployed for the humanitarian effort, and I'll do whatever we're told to do.

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if someone asks me for the money, I give from guilt. Like salvation army in front of jewel. Or people collecting for causes like cancer and diabetes. I think charities are too fragmented and it seems like there is a new one popping up every day for the same cause. Makes me feel like my money is wasted on it. Like all the celebrity haiti funds. Or the person who died of cancer so their family starts the john doe foundation. Id rather skip the middle man and give straight to a well organized and recognized charity.

Then there are charities I want to give to, like childsplaycharity.org

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mmmm...i love your honesty (except when its directed at me). donation of time is a very valid donation. i imagine guilt is a strong motivator for most of us - it is for me too. i think it is best to find a charity that one is passionate about and then the guilt transforms itself into a cause. there are websites that track the efficiency of a dollar given ---> http://www.charitynavigator.org/

i personally struggle with the relative moral issue of living so comfortably when so many people around the world are suffering with totally treatable illnesses, poverty, starvation etc.
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Some of it is luck, we can't choose where we are born. I'm lucky I fell ass backwards from my mom in the usa, than being born in africa or asia. But you are also an accomplished doctor who shouldn't feel bad for his success. Just pay it forward.

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I give nothing and expect nothing. There is nothing to comfortably give after my own family's financial responsibilities are handled.

We do assist and contribute to individuals and/or families in need at church very often. I don't really view that as a donation per se.
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donating i think is a touchy subject, personally i give when the issue hits home and or is somehow related to something i am into.

i usually donate all my old clothes.

as far as money the usual for me is upwards of 20 bucks. 20 bucks is like "i wont miss it" amount.



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We donate to a local animal shelter, and I will give to good causes. Last year for example we donated several coats to kids at Abi's elementary school. I also clean out our closets and anything that is usable to given to a women's shelter. Abi is well dressed, and passing those things on to kids of domestic violence is a simple way to help. So while we don't donate a large amount of money, we do donate time, energy and items from the house. We do donate some money, but I want to know it's being used for the cause.

And I believe Jeff was saying that the CELEBRITY Haiti thing was a joke. I bet if you look the celebs were put up in 5 star places, had top notch catering, and had a list of demands that were paid from the donations.

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i hear you guys and once again appreciate the honesty and i am not judging others - just curious where people are at with this. like i said, i feel guilty about having relative excess in life when there are so many suffering from poverty related issues worldwide - i feel a personal moral imperative to distribute wealth more evenly (though BO seems to be doing a nice job of this domestically at least - DONT thread jack!).

sunday morning on cbs had a piece with a teen aged girl that challenged her family to give more and they sold their $2 million home in atlanta and downsized and gave the capital gains (i think like 800k) to villages in the sudan. i just think we live so relatively comfortably and we tend to get so busy in life and with our problems that we dont take the time out to think of how incredibly bad things are in 3rd world countries...myself included.
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i hear you guys and once again appreciate the honesty and i am not judging others - just curious where people are at with this. like i said, i feel guilty about having relative excess in life when there are so many suffering from poverty related issues worldwide - i feel a personal moral imperative to distribute wealth more evenly (though BO seems to be doing a nice job of this domestically at least - DONT thread jack!).

sunday morning on cbs had a piece with a teen aged girl that challenged her family to give more and they sold their $2 million home in atlanta and downsized and gave the capital gains (i think like 800k) to villages in the sudan. i just think we live so relatively comfortably and we tend to get so busy in life and with our problems that we dont take the time out to think of how incredibly bad things are in 3rd world countries...myself included.
thats mind blowing to the point of self sacrificing beyond the normal.

let me ask you why you think this country tries to help 3rd world issues more then the issues that face us in the USA.

why is it we see so many causes for other countries when reality is this country does more for them when they dont do for themselves, protect (armed forces) to the point billions are spent. billions spent in aid, billions spent in schools, billions spent in food donations.

and a local reality is we have homeless people that die each year cause they cant even get enough warmth and have to sleep on lower wacker. mothers with children begging for food outside aldi "in orland fucken park"!!!!

i was shocked when a women asked me not for money but when i go in if i can buy 1 loaf of bread, 1 jar of peanut butter, and 1 gallon of milk.

i almost cried my ass off.

what about our nations issues. it truly seems if its not tax deductible, wont get you some public PR, then reality is...fuck em.



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I guess when I think about it, I do give more that I realize. Just rarely ever monetarily aside from the weekly church offering (which isn't donation either).

We seem to send about 2 or 3 garbage bags full of clothes to Salvation Army/AmVets once a year. I didn't think of that as donating either. Just stuff we don't want anymore that someone else could make use of that isn't to the point of needing to be thrown out. We never ask for a receipt to claim it on taxes. It kinda loses something then.

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thats mind blowing to the point of self sacrificing beyond the normal.

let me ask you why you think this country tries to help 3rd world issues more then the issues that face us in the USA.

why is it we see so many causes for other countries when reality is this country does more for them when they dont do for themselves, protect (armed forces) to the point billions are spent. billions spent in aid, billions spent in schools, billions spent in food donations.

and a local reality is we have homeless people that die each year cause they cant even get enough warmth and have to sleep on lower wacker. mothers with children begging for food outside aldi "in orland fucken park"!!!!

i was shocked when a women asked me not for money but when i go in if i can buy 1 loaf of bread, 1 jar of peanut butter, and 1 gallon of milk.

i almost cried my ass off.

what about our nations issues. it truly seems if its not tax deductible, wont get you some public PR, then reality is...fuck em.
thanks man. this was the dialogue i was hoping for and expecting. by charity/donations i would absolutely include domestic needs. i did say 3rd world countries but would definitely include the needs of the many here as well.

i guess part of my lazy answer is that we do indirectly donate to domestic needs through taxation and expect that the gov't will be fudiciarly responsible to using this money wisely on social welfare programs...in this way we all donate significantly already. i think as great as our needs are here domestically the needs ARE greater in third world countries - you dont have millions of americans dying from water borne illnesses or vaccinatable diseases for example. and yes, while we pour billions into these countries we also pour billions into social welfare programs. they just arent set up correctly to meet all of the needs out there. our practice volunteers time at a community clinic and runs 2 other large ones in the inner city. i grew up in a poor neighborhood and home so definitely have a big part in my heart for these needs. my heart cries for this woman and her family as well. i personally dont think the very very wealthy as a group (and statistics prove this) donate enough and they are the ones who can have the greatest impact.

speaking on needs - how does clsb maintain itself? i rarely see advertising on here or havent noticed it much.
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thanks man. this was the dialogue i was hoping for and expecting. by charity/donations i would absolutely include domestic needs. i did say 3rd world countries but would definitely include the needs of the many here as well.

i guess part of my lazy answer is that we do indirectly donate to domestic needs through taxation and expect that the gov't will be fudiciarly responsible to using this money wisely on social welfare programs...in this way we all donate significantly already. i think as great as our needs are here domestically the needs ARE greater in third world countries - you dont have millions of americans dying from water borne illnesses or vaccinatable diseases for example. and yes, while we pour billions into these countries we also pour billions into social welfare programs. they just arent set up correctly to meet all of the needs out there. our practice volunteers time at a community clinic and runs 2 other large ones in the inner city. i grew up in a poor neighborhood and home so definitely have a big part in my heart for these needs. my heart cries for this woman and her family as well. i personally dont think the very very wealthy as a group (and statistics prove this) donate enough and they are the ones who can have the greatest impact.

speaking on needs - how does clsb maintain itself? i rarely see advertising on here or havent noticed it much.


i hear that but as we all know, our government doesn't do enough and its primary concern is building its capitol from its people through taxing us to death on every aspect of life and pleasure that truly if it wasnt for its massive armed forced that COULD be called upon to protect from domestic terror, i really feel the people would up rise and overtake the government.

as far as this place? when a business approaches us and wants to try to advertise to the members we charge a monthly fee, also there is a donations link on the home page. it pays the bills.

in the olden days it simply came out of tonys and my pocket to fund every aspect of this site. "we did this for years"

donations are always needed and thankfully there is a handful of people on here that do.

they can be seen in this thread. and i thank them all. and call the rest fucken moochers "kidding"

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as far as this place? when a business approaches us and wants to try to advertise to the members we charge a monthly fee, also there is a donations link on the home page. it pays the bills.

in the olden days it simply came out of tonys and my pocket to fund every aspect of this site. "we did this for years"

donations are always needed and thankfully there is a handful of people on here that do.

they can be seen in this thread. and i thank them all. and call the rest fucken moochers "kidding"

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well dont want clsb to go away so i will donate OUT OF GUILT
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I will only Donate if it helps out my and our community. The rest of my donations are taken out of taxes.

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yup - thats what i was saying for how my money goes to provide domestic relief. just wish the g'ment was better at using this money for that purpose.

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i hate this too.

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ALEXANDRIA, Va., June 23 The former president of United Way of America, William Aramony, was sentenced today to seven years in prison for fraudulently diverting $1.2 million of the charity's money to pay for a romance with a teen-age girlfriend and other benefits for himself and friends.

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GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. -- A former United Way executive pleaded guilty Thursday to stealing nearly $1.9-million to buy expensive show horses in what is believed to be the biggest embezzlement case in the agency's history.

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CHARLOTTE - Former United Way President Gloria Pace King, fighting accusations of embezzlement, says she had legitimate business reasons for charging hotel stays, Carolina Panthers football tickets, a $5,000 book about her career and high-end restaurant meals to the agency.

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I cant cast my vote since its not listed

I donate strictly for causes related to the fire departments and EMS. Like when you see the fireman and ladies in uniform out in the blazing sun with the boot or..............

For fallen riders and families that need the assistance.

But for the most part I agree with the I donate 35 percent ever two weeks for people to support individuals that abuse the system (with exception to the honest ones)

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Umbrella charity groups (like the United Way) are usually festering cesspools of political back scratching all ripe with embezzlement or misappropriation of funds based on who owes who what favor, who can direct business for to some other member in return for a favor and not who is the most needy or where the dollar will go furthest (bang for the buck).

I avoid them and the Red Cross at all costs.
little anger management needed there arch? i totally agree though and never give to the united way. nothing worse/evil than someone taking advantage of someone else's misfortune...unless it happens on a thread here. the red cross is a truly unfortunate necessity as they are one of the few organizations that have the infrastructure to respond to huge disasters.
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