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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 09-26-2004, 01:54 AM Thread Starter
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Not that I think I should be doing wheelies at a whopping 4 months of riding experience, but I am curious how to do it. My gs500f doesn't have enough juice to do a power standup in any gear at any rpm so I think, at least by my understanding, that I would be bound to a clutch wheelie... Correct me if I'm wrong, but my thinking would be to load up a bit, pop the clutch and the front end will go up.... Sound about right? ...note... educational purposes only..my dumbass already learned the hard way about a stoppie, but im just a curious bastard.

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yea that sounds about right, but you dont really need to bounce. On my R6 i bring it to around 6-8k in second gear, pull the clutch in, rev to about 10-12k, then pop it in. Comes right up

I dont think the 500 is enough to power wheelie (or chop wheelie) If you do clutch a wheelie, try slow. Like second gear and practice on various rpms, starting on the lower band obviously.

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Re-gear your bike and it should be no problem. Probably work fine as is clutching up 2nd gear. Slide yourself back as far as you can, might need to tug on the bars a bit. About 35-45mph and it should come up when you pop the clutch. Have you tried learning power wheelies in first yet? Might be a good way to start if she don't budge in 2nd.
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LOL, thanks for the tips.... scratch, it won't power wheelie only being a 500cc... at least if I understand the concept of power wheelie which to me would be just throttling up enough to the front end to come up. If so, I can crank it all the way open, it ain't goin' nowhere

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some tips here, clutch wheelies are more predictable and safer as you can pop it with less speed. theres more to clutch wheelies than revving the engine and dropping the clutch, if the wheel comes up is a matter of how much throttle you have on when the clutch comes down, i'd guess like 50% throttle in first would get you up, on my f4i it takes just a little for 1st, maybe a third or half in 2nd for standups (still working on sitdowns lol)

i found stand ups easier to learn, L foot on the Rr pass. peg, just practice little by little somewhere safe like a lot to get over the "oh shit i'm standing" and always cover the rear brake just in case. standups are a lot easier to pop than sit downs, and when you finally get the wheel up the visibility is much better

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LOL, thanks for the tips.... scratch, it won't power wheelie only being a 500cc... at least if I understand the concept of power wheelie which to me would be just throttling up enough to the front end to come up. If so, I can crank it all the way open, it ain't goin' nowhere
Sorta but not quite. With the way I do a "power" wheelie it's about getting up to speed, chopping the throttle (letting off) a bit and then a small bounce followed by either wide open throttle or 3/4 + throttle. All of this done in concert and in a small space of time to make it feel 'instant'. Clutching is a good, more predictable way of bringing it up and that's the way I've been doing it for years. And yes it's not quite as simple as dumping the clutch, but it's hard to explain and usually just comes with practice. It's about timing and that can only be learned by repetition. You develop a style, some people "slip" the clutch and others snap it, it's whatever works for you and your ride. Just remember that sometimes you think you're giving it enough throttle but you may not be, you might be holding back just a bit. I found this to be one of my hurdles when I was first learning.

A good friend of mine was convinced that his bike (F4) would not do 2nd gear wheelies. I asked him one day on one of our runs if I could try it. Anyway I rode one past him and carried it for a good way. I pulled up to him afterwards, he practically threw me off his bike, jumped on the thing and proceeded to learn 2nd gear clutch ups on a bike he thought was incapable. Now he rides them out all day. Look into dropping a tooth in front or adding a couple on the rear sprocket, could do wonders ya never know.
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Have you guys ever been worried about the back tire breaking loose when dumping the clutch? It happened to me once and I can't get over that thought/feeling and probably will never be able to do clutch wheelies again. Ended up totalling the bike out.

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Have you guys ever been worried about the back tire breaking loose when dumping the clutch? It happened to me once and I can't get over that thought/feeling and probably will never be able to do clutch wheelies again. Ended up totalling the bike out.

Thats fun, lean all the way foward and dump the clutch = BLOCK LONG SMOKEY BURNOUTS

I was riding Saturday morning and it was a little cold out, I dumped the clutch and the pavement and my tires were cold, I expected the front end to come up and the rear just spun, a little scary, but expected

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Have you guys ever been worried about the back tire breaking loose when dumping the clutch? It happened to me once and I can't get over that thought/feeling and probably will never be able to do clutch wheelies again. Ended up totalling the bike out.
It happens....just air the tire down and make sure it has some decent tread and it's not as likely to happen. Just gotta be smart about the surface and temperature. I tried stunting at the oval with the big bike...not a good idea, that blacktop doesn't hook for shit trying to clutch up 1st gear.
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trying to stay on topic...how, or what is the best method to get over that, "holy sh*t, i'm going over!!!" feeling? i try, and try to convince myself that i'm not, but something isn't clicking...maybe i should just give-up...

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trying to stay on topic...how, or what is the best method to get over that, "holy sh*t, i'm going over!!!" feeling? i try, and try to convince myself that i'm not, but something isn't clicking...maybe i should just give-up...

I say go over a few times and then get used to the feeling.. that way you know when it is going to happen and you can catch it right b4 it does... . All kidding aside.. be safe out there , and check your insurance for when you total your bike. Good Luck!

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I say go over a few times and then get used to the feeling.. that way you know when it is going to happen and you can catch it right b4 it does... . All kidding aside.. be safe out there , and check your insurance for when you total your bike. Good Luck!
i wasn't looking for sarcasm, or preaching...just, um, maybe, an answer to my question? i am a safe rider, who (like many others) likes to crank a wheelie up every so often...you can't tell me that being a former (or still have...) busa owner, you haven't rode the rear wheel a time or two...

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i wasn't looking for sarcasm, or preaching...just, um, maybe, an answer to my question? i am a safe rider, who (like many others) likes to crank a wheelie up every so often...you can't tell me that being a former (or still have...) busa owner, you haven't rode the rear wheel a time or two...
Never said you werent a safe rider, as a matter of fact alot on this site enjoy wheelies, etc... I think that is awsome. And Yea, I can tell you that I never rode a rear wheel.... doesnt even interest me. Rcck on Dude! Ride safe...

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Never said you werent a safe rider, as a matter of fact alot on this site enjoy wheelies, etc... I think that is awsome. And Yea, I can tell you that I never rode a rear wheel.... doesnt even interest me. Rcck on Dude! Ride safe...
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Not that I think I should be doing wheelies at a whopping 4 months of riding experience, but I am curious how to do it. My gs500f doesn't have enough juice to do a power standup in any gear at any rpm so I think, at least by my understanding, that I would be bound to a clutch wheelie... Correct me if I'm wrong, but my thinking would be to load up a bit, pop the clutch and the front end will go up.... Sound about right? ...note... educational purposes only..my dumbass already learned the hard way about a stoppie, but im just a curious bastard.
FYI.........its possible to wheelie anything bro!!! just a matter of technique...2 months ago, i couldnt clutch my 600rr in second. now, im bouncin up stand-ups in second (no clutch). there is a thirteen year old kid that lives down the street from me that bangs wheelers on a 250ninja (STOCK). honestly though, i wouldnt be dickin around this time of year learnin wheelies, if ur new to ridin street. the ground is cold and the wheels dont like to stick. save that shizzle for next year bro

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Re-gear your bike and it should be no problem. Probably work fine as is clutching up 2nd gear. Slide yourself back as far as you can, might need to tug on the bars a bit. About 35-45mph and it should come up when you pop the clutch. Have you tried learning power wheelies in first yet? Might be a good way to start if she don't budge in 2nd.
IMO....this is very bad advice. wheelies in 1st are extremely sketchy due to the gear ratio, 1 wrong flick-o-de-wrist and ur on ur ass...but do what is comfortable for you....i learned from first gear myself. the best piece of advice that i could give you is to always cover ur rear brake while attempting a wheelie. if you feel like ur bout to flip, just give the brake a LITE tap and she comes right back down.

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LOL, thanks for the tips.... scratch, it won't power wheelie only being a 500cc... at least if I understand the concept of power wheelie which to me would be just throttling up enough to the front end to come up. If so, I can crank it all the way open, it ain't goin' nowhere
a power wheelie is when u open the throttle up to the point in ur rpms that ur bike produces the most power....then, in a fluid motion, you let off the throttle, to compress the forks...and then snap it back open and lean back.
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Buy a dirt bike, learn how to wheelie and ride in an offroad environment, then bring it to the street.

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Rev that fuker up in first and let out the clutch, it'll come up
+1 on the dirtbike advice....im not too fond of the dumoing it from 1st advice though...thats something u do once youve mastered wheelies...like parkin 12s or highchairs

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Have you guys ever been worried about the back tire breaking loose when dumping the clutch? It happened to me once and I can't get over that thought/feeling and probably will never be able to do clutch wheelies again. Ended up totalling the bike out.
i love that feeling...in fact, thats how i learned to do a rolling burnout.
this time of year, when the ground is cold, is when the tire WILL break loose while clutchin it....i highly recomend learnin to bounce the bike up right now!
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trying to stay on topic...how, or what is the best method to get over that, "holy sh*t, i'm going over!!!" feeling? i try, and try to convince myself that i'm not, but something isn't clicking...maybe i should just give-up...
its simply....REPETITION
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Not that I think I should be doing wheelies at a whopping 4 months of riding experience, but I am curious how to do it. My gs500f doesn't have enough juice to do a power standup in any gear at any rpm so I think, at least by my understanding, that I would be bound to a clutch wheelie... Correct me if I'm wrong, but my thinking would be to load up a bit, pop the clutch and the front end will go up.... Sound about right? ...note... educational purposes only..my dumbass already learned the hard way about a stoppie, but im just a curious bastard.
DUDE, jus come out to my neck of the woods sometime. i got some killer backroads with next to no traffic on them with straights that you can clearly see down. perfect roads for learnin how to put ur bikey in unicycle mode

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DUDE, jus come out to my neck of the woods sometime. i got some killer backroads with next to no traffic on them with straights that you can clearly see down. perfect roads for learnin how to put ur bikey in unicycle mode

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