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post #1 of 63 (permalink) Old 09-06-2007, 01:55 PM Thread Starter
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how do you turn while in a wheelie?

this is a serious question so haters stay away.

not looking to make sharp turns just maybe change lanes or go around a slight bend. if it comes up straight then i can keep it straight no problem. the main problem im having is that if it comes up crooked i cannot bring it back straight....it just continues to drift and drift. ive heard advice from many different people of where to put pressure on pegs or bars and nothing seems to work. its just really pissing me off and im looking for something new to try.

i know this probably isnt the best site to be asking this...but i do see the "in the closet" wheelers out on unorganized group rides sometimes.

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My .02 is to make sure you are 100% comfortable in your skills to do wheel stands before you begin to lean them - I have been wheelie-ing for years now and still do not feel I can drift it lane to lane - My guess would be to apply pressure with your thigh on the tank side to ease into the desired direction while appling pressure to the outside of the peg on the side you want to drift towards - Again, just my .02 on it

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counter steer with the front wheel like a rutter and lean in the direction you want to go.



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My .02 is to make sure you are 100% comfortable in your skills to do wheel stands before you begin to lean them - I have been wheelie-ing for years now and still do not feel I can drift it lane to lane - My guess would be to apply pressure with your thigh on the tank side to ease into the desired direction while appling pressure to the outside of the peg on the side you want to drift towards - Again, just my .02 on it
yeah im very comfortable on 1 wheel. been doing them for a while but this season im doing them long enough that even the slightest drifting becomes a problem after a while. i figured if i could just learn to turn while up then i could just steer out of that when it happens.

i just dont understand it. when it starts to drift it seems like theres nothing i can do about it. ive experimented a lot with it. tried pressure on one side or the other on pegs or bars...leaning...steering the wheel...moving legs in or out...seems like when it starts to drift it just has a mind of its own. the problem is at slower speeds...starting out at 40 or below. starting at 70 or so...the foward momentem im already traveling on keeps it dead straight.

i guess i will just keep practicing. i just think it would be the hot ticket if i could learn to change lanes and shit.

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the problem is at slower speeds...starting out at 40 or below. starting at 70 or so...the foward momentem im already traveling on keeps it dead straight.
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Yeah, I am no good at slower wheelies as I do not feel in control - With the Duc geared the way it is, if I am in 2nd at about 6500 rpms at just about 58-60 mph and I blap and tug a bit, she lifts and stays right between 1 and 2 o'clock and just holds steady - The TLR was the same but it was not a slight tug, it was a hard ass pull - The Bus popped right up too in 2nd with a little tug - the SV's were both just fuckin wheelie machines

All and all I have never been 100% comfortable to start drifting while up

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What is your tire pressure?
wheelies arent my main intent so i just keep it at 29psi cold. ive tried it lower and it helped out a lot...but im not looking to be out stuntin...just pull one here or there once in a while.

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I think I saw lil Joe and Eric at Strat's last night...they'd be good people to learn from as well
thank you. didnt see where it showed me how to turn in those instructions i know now to wheelie...just not turn

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thank you. didnt see where it showed me how to turn in those instructions i know now to wheelie...just not turn
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counter steer with the front wheel like a rutter and lean in the direction you want to go.
the rudder thing doenst seem to work that well when youre riding it at the balance point. the pivot point in reference to the wind travel is not really effecting anything when youre up that high.

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the only way you can steer a wheelie is to be at balance point, if your not in balance point then you cant steer a wheelie its as simple as that. So before you go trying to take corners it sounds like you should work on getting the wheel higher nd hold a solid rpm, once you get that the slightest adjustment can be made from weight on a peg, leaning with yoru shoulder, or bending your kneeds
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the only way you can steer a wheelie is to be at balance point, if your not in balance point then you cant steer a wheelie its as simple as that. So before you go trying to take corners it sounds like you should work on getting the wheel higher nd hold a solid rpm, once you get that the slightest adjustment can be made from weight on a peg, leaning with yoru shoulder, or bending your kneeds
you know what you are right. now that i think about it thats the difference ive been unable to determine. theres times when i can steer it and other times when i cant. but the more i think about it...the times when im riding it keeping a constant speed are the times when it seems i have the most control. i will usually keep it "slightly" below the balance point if im on a road that im not familiar with the surface...just to be safe. these are the roads im having trouble on. thank you, im gonna pay more attn to that next time im out.


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you know what you are right. now that i think about it thats the difference ive been unable to determine. theres times when i can steer it and other times when i cant. but the more i think about it...the times when im riding it keeping a constant speed are the times when it seems i have the most control. i will usually keep it "slightly" below the balance point if im on a road that im not familiar with the surface...just to be safe. these are the roads im having trouble on. thank you, im gonna pay more attn to that next time im out.


rocking balance point is safer then running out the rpms becuz you have the control to slow the wheelie down steer and speed up vs. when your powering out the gear you have no control!
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rocking balance point is safer then running out the rpms becuz you have the control to slow the wheelie down steer and speed up vs. when your powering out the gear you have no control!
Yup, and people that can get that balance point and ride a wheelie slow or at a low RPM can "TRUELY" wheelie. I have never been able to do it. I need a bike that won't starve the front cyclinder of oil. I have blown 3 motors now doing wheelies on the SV. I give props to anyone who can be riding through a a parking lot at under 5mph and just stand it up and keep going 5 mph and ride around in circles or steer or whatever. That's some cool shit.

The tire pressure thing does help alot though. It gives you more of a platform to balance on.

There are people who can do slow wheelies and circles without even messing with gearing or tire pressure though.

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I need a bike that won't starve the front cyclinder of oil. I have blown 3 motors now doing wheelies on the SV. .
I have heard myth and truth to this theroy of twins and wheelies

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im perfectly happy with where im at right now wheelie wise. i dont go for longer than about 1/4 mile because i really worry about oil issues. so whether i can go further or not...i set it down after a while on purpose. i just thought it would be cool to have some steering control and then id be perfectly content with my wheelie skills. i would like to learn some more stuff eventually...but theres other things (motorcycle wise) that are in line to learn first.

even though i do more slow speed wheelies (40mph or so)...the fast ones are what really give me a rush. pulling it up at 80 and holding it at about 100 just feels really cool. but those guys that can go like 5mph and shit...damn thats a lot of skill. id love to learn one day but you kinda need a dedicated stunt bike for that. its cool...but not really "my" style.

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I think with an I4, oil issues are not a concern as I have seen them do over 3 mile long wheelies with no problems

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Besides being at the balance point, where ya look is where ya go on 2 wheels as well as one. Your body will take care of the rest.
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Besides being at the balance point, where ya look is where ya go on 2 wheels as well as one. Your body will take care of the rest.
yup. something thats so easily forgotten.

if im riding on a road where im in the left lane next to a dividing wall...i find myself drifting toward the wall...probably because im looking at it.

another good point.

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Some people have brought up some good points but the best thing for you to do is ride with people that can do it. Are you doing "balance point" wheelies using the brake or no? Sitdowns or standups?

If you aren't able to use the brake, (I mean really using the brake not just saying that you could use it if you needed too) than don't worry about trying to turn and first learn how to slow down with the brake.

I've found it super sketchy to try and turn without using the brake and you'll be sure to kill yourself that way. After you're extremely comfortable slowing the bike down (say for 55mph to 35 in a short distance) and still be up on one wheel....

When you are approaching the turn, you want to set up for it early and try to take an early apex as it's slow to react and slow to correct. Meaning you want to start your turning before the turn and end it before the turn is over. Bring the bike PAST balance point using the brake which will also slow it down. The bike turns much easier this way and you are in more control. A combination of weighting the peg on the side you want to turn and leaning accompanied by having your outside thigh into the tank will turn the bike. Some people will also counter steer or steer into it, both seem to work. When you want to straighten out accelerate a bit (bring it back to balance or even a hair under) and correct your body position. Obviously right hand turns are the easiest because you can lean way off to the right and still cover the brake. Left handers are a bit harder and I've had quite a few pucker moments when I lost the brake pedal for a second but if you can position your foot right you can get way off to the left too. Don't forget to use your turn signals and shoulder checks. If you kill yourself I take no responsibility.

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oh ya, higher tire pressure for steering. I'd say try around 30ish. To low and you won't turn, but it's also going to make the bike more wobbly.
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Some people have brought up some good points but the best thing for you to do is ride with people that can do it. Are you doing "balance point" wheelies using the brake or no? Sitdowns or standups?

If you aren't able to use the brake, (I mean really using the brake not just saying that you could use it if you needed too) than don't worry about trying to turn and first learn how to slow down with the brake.

I've found it super sketchy to try and turn without using the brake and you'll be sure to kill yourself that way. After you're extremely comfortable slowing the bike down (say for 55mph to 35 in a short distance) and still be up on one wheel....

When you are approaching the turn, you want to set up for it early and try to take an early apex as it's slow to react and slow to correct. Meaning you want to start your turning before the turn and end it before the turn is over. Bring the bike PAST balance point using the brake which will also slow it down. The bike turns much easier this way and you are in more control. A combination of weighting the peg on the side you want to turn and leaning accompanied by having your outside thigh into the tank will turn the bike. Some people will also counter steer or steer into it, both seem to work. When you want to straighten out accelerate a bit (bring it back to balance or even a hair under) and correct your body position. Obviously right hand turns are the easiest because you can lean way off to the right and still cover the brake. Left handers are a bit harder and I've had quite a few pucker moments when I lost the brake pedal for a second but if you can position your foot right you can get way off to the left too. Don't forget to use your turn signals and shoulder checks. If you kill yourself I take no responsibility.

Sitdowns are a bit different, work on standups first.
damn dude...youre getting a little further advanced that i was thinking lol. i guess the title to my thread does ask how to "turn" in a wheelie. i dont want to turn a corner...mearly drift maybe from lane to lane or take a very slight bend if the road happens to turn "slightly". youre talkin about turning corners and stuff lol whoa! im no where near that skill level. i cannot slow down a wheelie. i can barely maintain a speed. most of the time i am accelerating slightly. these are sit down wheelies and im not skilled at using the brake. thats something ive been meaning to practice and think about more. its not like i go out and practice wheelies. i may do 1 maybe 2 per outing of riding. so my practice is pretty limited. like i said before, im not looking to be a stunt man...i just think theyre fun so i do them sometimes.

thanks for everyone all the advice! pretty much everything said is stuff i already knew and just forget to pay attn to. its kind of like playing pool. im a decent pool shooter but sometimes get too comfortable in my skill level and forget the basics, then wonder why my game continues to get worse and worse.


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I think with an I4, oil issues are not a concern as I have seen them do over 3 mile long wheelies with no problems
i know a few people that have broken motors from doing long wheelies on stock bikes. Spun bearings from lack of oil.

i dont know which bikes this would apply to...but if the pick up tube is not staying submerged in oil, that would cause a problem. i dont wanna chance it on my bike. i hear about guys putting an aftermarket pickup tube in there....they must do that for a reason.

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I'm not talking turning corners I'm talking following the curves of the highway and lane changes, if you don't want to learn the right (safer) way then don't try turning. Definitely work on the brake thing too, otherwise you're just asking to crash. Only with twins would you starve the bike from oil. I've went 8 miles on a 636 and well over 5 on a gsxr 1000 multiple times and never with an oil problem.
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I'm not talking turning corners I'm talking following the curves of the highway and lane changes, if you don't want to learn the right (safer) way then don't try turning. Definitely work on the brake thing too, otherwise you're just asking to crash. Only with twins would you starve the bike from oil. I've went 8 miles on a 636 and well over 5 on a gsxr 1000 multiple times and never with an oil problem.
ok cool. i will just keep practicing. i mean to start practicing using the brake but i always forget. like i said...its not like i go out and practice this stuff. its usually just spur of the moment type wheelie. i never really try or think of trying new stuff....therefore my skill level advances very slowly.

i remember watching a video of a guy that did a few mile long wheelie on (i think) a gixxer....and the engine got effed up. thats the vid where he goes off the moto-x ramp with it and misses the landing. i also have a friend that had this happen to him on a 04 gixxer 1k and had to get a new motor. then another friend that had it happen on a 04 gixxer 750.

i only know what i see...thats why i was worried about it. i thought those guys that stunt the bikes have different oil pump pickups or something? thats what i was told by a guy that actually stunts. if there is no worry then why would he need that?

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im perfectly happy with where im at right now wheelie wise. i dont go for longer than about 1/4 mile because i really worry about oil issues. so whether i can go further or not...i set it down after a while on purpose. .

not yesterday! that was way longer then a 1/4 mile
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