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post #1 of 36 (permalink) Old 09-29-2007, 01:52 PM Thread Starter
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I have a sv1000 my first real road bike, but i've been riding dirtbikes and quads since I was a kid. I'm working on wheelies and for the life of me I can't clutch it up in second I think I might need a new clutch but any other suggestions I was thinkin mabye a bigger rear sprocket.
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lean FAR back, and pull in the clutch REV IT to the red line and POP it at the same time you pull back on the bars.

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SV1000 should easily be able to do wheelies. i suck at wheelies and if i can do them on a SV650, you should have no problems on a bigger twin.

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yeah it don't work beleive me I've tried that, think I need a bike with more balls. comes up fine and can ride it in first but it won't happen in second. Wish my bike had as much torque as my crf 450 I could probably clutch that up in fourth.
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Even Bug can wheelie a 1k bike.

I would go -1 on the front sprocket before changing the rear one.
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Try bouncing the front end as you clutch it up. If it doesn't come than its rider error.

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just out of curiosity what is the difference between going down one on the front sprocket and going up a few on the rear,(besides price of sprockets). And when you say bouncing do you mean as in preloading the suspension and then riding it as a stand up cause it would be kinda hard to bounce it sittin down. thanks
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Usually cheaper and easier to swap a front sprocket. Also, you are not adding rotating mass, so you are not losing BHP.
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got it, thanks any idea how much top end i'd lose with a one or two tooth reduction on the front sprocket
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just out of curiosity what is the difference between going down one on the front sprocket and going up a few on the rear,(besides price of sprockets). And when you say bouncing do you mean as in preloading the suspension and then riding it as a stand up cause it would be kinda hard to bounce it sittin down. thanks
It means push down on the bars for a second to load the suspension, then rev it while releasing pressure on the bars. I thought my bike could not come up as well. Come to find out, I was a pussy, and was not wacking the throttle. Without looking, I am about 95% sure you are letting off the throttle. Even just slightly will have the bike take off fast instead of lifting the wheel. If you wack it well enough, that wheel will fly up I can't do clutch ups yet either, but it is not the bike's fault. I am slightly letting off the throttle when I pull in the clutch. You are probably afraid of looping it, which is a good thing

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i have no problem clutching it up in first and riding it and mabye i'm just not doing something right but in second i have gotten the front end to come up about six inches but i cant seem to get anymore than that and that is holding it wide open and just lettin go of the clutch while doing about 50 or somethin like that( don't really look at the spedo)
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The sv1000 can do 2nd gear wheelies just on the throttle, clutching it up should be very, very easy.

Either your clutch or technique are fucked, maybe both.

I am no wheelie expert, far from it, but I ride a 1000cc twin (aircooled) and I can nearly flip the bike with just the throttle in second gear if I give it a little tug on the bars.

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yeah I'm thinking I may need a new clutch or it may need to be adjusted or my bike just has no power because I went out again today and tried for an hour and a half and it just doesn't happen i can pull in the clutch at 50 hold it wide open till the rev limiter kicks in and then let go of the clutch while pulling up and it won't get more than 6 inches of the ground. I know what power is I've ridden some gsxr 1000's and cbr1000's and they come up fine in second but my bike just won't, I also just found out that my bike has been lowered an inch and a half would that have anything to do with it?
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Are you staying on the throttle after you release the clutch? Even my old clapped out FZR600 will clutch up wheelies in 2nd, your bike should have no problem.
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i stay on it the front end comes up about 6 inches when i let go of the clutch stays up for a split second and then comes back down and takes off this is all while holding it wide open.
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i stay on it the front end comes up about 6 inches when i let go of the clutch stays up for a split second and then comes back down and takes off this is all while holding it wide open.
do you have a power commander? have you slid the fork tubes up to compensate?

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Try clutching it up in 2nd at 30mph. Though I find the fact a liter v-twin has trouble coming in 2nd very troubling
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nope no power commander bike is all stock except for fender eliminator, flush mount signals, and lowered inch and a half. And im not sure i get what your saying about the forks. And i'll try clutching up in second at thirty, and i agree a 400lb bike should have no problem converting over 100hp into a wheelie in second gear but I just can't make it happen I wish someone that already knows how to do it could try it on my bike cause I just cant do it and i've been running the crap out of her trying to get it to come up but like i said can't make it happen.
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hey guys thanks for all the help but i've been reading a bunch of stuff about the sv's having oil starvation problems in the front cylinder so i'm not going to try the riding wheelies thing much anymore cause i don't really want to blow up my bike. So i'll buy a wrecked gsxr 1000 or something and do wheelies with that. let me know if anyone has an inline 4 1000 that they want to get rid of for cheap. thanks again
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Ride the bike at 30 mph in second gear. Open the throttle to wide open (all the way to the stop) while at the same time you just blip the clutch. Just to let it slip a little. The revs should skyrocket when you let it slip for an instant and then the front wheel should be airborne when you release the lever. Keep it at wide open throttle, don't back off, cover the rear brake for safety and don't flip your shit.

I think your current technique is flawed, sounds like you are disengaging the clutch all the way, revving it up (which barely takes any throttle as the motor has no load on it) then letting out the clutch. You are basicly transferring very little power if you don't have the throttle opened all the way, regardless of revs.

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hey guys thanks for all the help but i've been reading a bunch of stuff about the sv's having oil starvation problems in the front cylinder
I believe that's only with the 650cc SV, you would have to be riding mile long + wheelies to cause any damage anyway.

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hey i'll give it a shot but i think my bike is just screwed up cause it should be able to come up in second with just throttle and it won't. Now i know it's a different story but i can pull the front end up on my crf450 in 1 2 3 and 4th without clutching it, wish i could do that on my sv.
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I bet you I can clutch your sv up in 3rd and maybe even 4th my friend. Those bikes make sick low end tq. Your clutch is fine, but your technique is flawed. You are prolly self consciously leaning forward when you clutch it pushing the front end down, not to mention not preloading the forks (which you can do sitting as well as standing).....speaking of that are you doing sit downs or standups??? try doing a staggered standup left foot pass peg right foot rearset covering the brake..jus give it a lil bounce and slip the clutch and boom automatic recpie for a wheelie.

Once you finally get it you will realize there was nothing wrong with your bike, just your lack of skill. It takes time, jus keep practicing and try going like maybe idk 30-45 max when clutching 2nd
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I tried the staggered stand-up I even tried standing on both rear pegs cause I was getting so pissed that it wouldn't come up sitting down and I do think I can make it happen while standing on the rear pegs or the staggered way I'm just not real comfortable bringing my new bike back to the point where I have to hit the back brake to keep from looping it yet. But I still no matter how hard I try can't get it to work while sitting down and trying to clutch it up in second. I was wondering if I need a new clutch, How long do they usually last, the bike has 10,000 miles on it and I think it's the original clutch.
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Give it more throttle. I speak from experience. If you give it enough you might manage to flip the bike over like I did.

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I know squat about wheelies but I know how to check a clutch. Do about 5000 rpms in 6th gear. Twist the throttle all the way to the stop. If the rpms rise real fast and the bike doesn't accelerate, then your clutch is shot. Clutches should last way beyond 10,000 miles
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I tried the staggered stand-up I even tried standing on both rear pegs cause I was getting so pissed that it wouldn't come up sitting down and I do think I can make it happen while standing on the rear pegs or the staggered way I'm just not real comfortable bringing my new bike back to the point where I have to hit the back brake to keep from looping it yet. But I still no matter how hard I try can't get it to work while sitting down and trying to clutch it up in second. I was wondering if I need a new clutch, How long do they usually last, the bike has 10,000 miles on it and I think it's the original clutch.
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do not stand both feet on rear pegs....taht is a one way ticket to looping your shit specially with no knowledge and no handbrake! Just try staggered standups in first till your super comfy clutchin it up and then try 2nd gear....

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I have over 10k mi on my clutch and I stunt, its all i do so its got thousands of wheelies on it and it never slips, trust me your clutch is fine
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I like your idea of letting someone else try it for you...

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As for the clutch idea. I have an 05 gixxer 600 with 45k miles on the original clutch, the clutch is still in good shape .

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