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So a friend got a speeding ticket for 98 in a 55 on 94 with a mandatory court date of 1 June. However, she just flew out to England this morning for work and won't be back till the 5th. She just found out yesterday afternoon that she had to fly out this morning.

How can she change this court date? There is no number to call on the ticket and no instructions in regards to this. The ticket was issued by a state trooper using LIDAR in Deerfield near Town Line Road. She intends to plead guilty and just pay the fine.

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Contact the court clerk at the court house she is to appear at.

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She can miss the date and go in for a reappearance. I've done this before and why pay ticket? I would pay lawyer and hope for supervision. She
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Called the clerk, if I drop off the blue part of her ticket for her she'll be assigned a new court date later in the month which is what we're going to do.
I'll suggest the supervision but she said she already called her insurance company and her rates will not go up that much so she's not worried about it.

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Just looked up to see if their website has the info and here is what it says:

4) How can I change my traffic court date?
The defendant or a representative must appear in court on the date of your summons. If a representative appears, that person must explain why the defendant cannot appear and request a continuance. Otherwise, the date must be advanced through the motion court of the specific district court in question requesting that the judge change the date. (A motion to advance cannot be filed in a case involving an accident.)

http://www.cookcountyclerkofcourt.or...DPage=3100#142

Missing a court date without sending a rep. could result in a bench warrant, but have her call them up, maybe they have more insight.

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Called the clerk, if I drop off the blue part of her ticket for her she'll be assigned a new court date later in the month which is what we're going to do.
I'll suggest the supervision but she said she already called her insurance company and her rates will not go up that much so she's not worried about it.
Glad you were able to get an answer. As far as her taking the ticket on her record, not what I would do, but her choice.

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Thanks for the info, only prob is that this is in Lake County, not Cook.

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The ticket was issued by a state trooper using LIDAR in Deerfield near Town Line Road. She intends to plead guilty and just pay the fine.
Don't plead guilty. LIDAR is not a valid form of speed detection. Tickets are thrown out when contested

http://www.articlealley.com/article_26957_31.html

EDIT: Here is another artice from the Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhal...adar07.article
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'PROVEN TECHNOLOGY' | Citations won't stop; cops need test case
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BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter [email protected]
Chicago Police will stick to their speed detector guns -- churning out tickets generated by LIDAR detectors purchased to slow neighborhood speeding -- despite widespread dismissals in Traffic Court, Supt. Jody Weis said Friday.

"It's a proven technology that law enforcement agencies throughout the United States use. It's the best thing on the market right now, and we're gonna continue to use it," Weis said.

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Dismissals or not, LIDAR will keep being used in Chicago, Jody Weis said.

(Brian Jackson/Sun-Times)


LIDAR stands for "light detection and ranging" equipment. The devices were purchased with great fanfare three years ago to satisfy Chicago aldermen demanding that something be done about rampant speeding on neighborhood streets.,

Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mark Brown disclosed Friday that LIDAR tickets routinely have been dismissed for the last year -- whenever a defendant takes the time to show up in court to contest the case -- because of legal challenges to the laser technology.

Defense attorneys contend that local prosecutors must hold a special hearing to prove the scientific basis behind LIDAR before using it as evidence.

Ever since Traffic Court judges started ruling in defendants' favor, the city's Law Department has opted to waive contested LIDAR tickets.

Meanwhile, the city continues to collect fines from motorists who voluntarily plead guilty by mailing in their fines or going to traffic safety school.

Now that Brown has lifted the veil on the widespread dismissals, motorists who get LIDAR tickets are likely to start showing up in court in greater numbers.

But Weis said LIDAR technology is here to stay.

"We know we have to address the issue. We know there's got to be some test cases that we think we can prove with the Law Department working with the courts. ... We'll make sure that we resolve this through our Law Department and the courts," he said.

The superintendent acknowledged that the Police Department can't afford to scrap LIDAR, even if it wanted to replace the technology.

"A lot of it comes just from funding. If we have a system that works -- even though it might be a little older -- let's keep using it rather than going out and spending additional dollars for a newer system that won't work. Let's trade them out when their normal life expires," he said.

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... only prob is that this is in Lake County, not Cook.
That is most likely the reason you got the answers to your questions over the phone.

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That is most likely the reason you got the answers to your questions over the phone.
I had to post the question though cause I had no idea who to call.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

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I had to post the question though cause I had no idea who to call.
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
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Don't plead guilty. LIDAR is not a valid form of speed detection. Tickets are thrown out when contested

http://www.articlealley.com/article_26957_31.html

EDIT: Here is another artice from the Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhal...adar07.article
Is there any legal precedent? The article states that contested tickets are usually tossed out, but would you have to cite a court case? What is the procedure for contesting a LIDAR ticket when you get to court. Also, do you know of any technical details as to why LIDAR is not accurate? The article isn't very clear on the details and if you are going to court you should know the details.

I was talking about contesting tickets with my friend (who is in law school) and he said if you contest a ticket based on technical stuff most likely the judge will get pissed and throw the book at you.

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Is there any legal precedent? The article states that contested tickets are usually tossed out, but would you have to cite a court case? What is the procedure for contesting a LIDAR ticket when you get to court. Also, do you know of any technical details as to why LIDAR is not accurate? The article isn't very clear on the details and if you are going to court you should know the details.

I was talking about contesting tickets with my friend (who is in law school) and he said if you contest a ticket based on technical stuff most likely the judge will get pissed and throw the book at you.
The whole thing about lidar is that law enforcement has no test cases proving that it is a viable way to measure speed. Remember the whole thing about innocent before proven guilty? They have no test cases to base that the shit works so they can't prove that. Illinois, mainly chicago, invested a whole lot of money into a system that can't convict people with it and they don't have cash to get a proven system.
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Pocket, sounds like she would be contesting on a technical issue there like Irfan was talking about. She's a smart girl when it comes to bio and medical stuff but not so much when it comes to the technical crap. And getting a lawyer, just to end up pissing off the judge doesn't sound like much fun either.

Got an e-mail from her today saying that she changed her mind and wants to ask for supervision since this is her first offense in almost 10years of driving. I know he can't help directly, but when it comes to this stuff I really value Rob's input and hope he chimes in on the discussion.

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Don't plead guilty. LIDAR is not a valid form of speed detection. Tickets are thrown out when contested

http://www.articlealley.com/article_26957_31.html

EDIT: Here is another artice from the Sun Times

http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhal...adar07.article
Good luck contesting that one.
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So a friend got a speeding ticket for 98 in a 55 on 94 with a mandatory court date of 1 June. However, she just flew out to England this morning for work and won't be back till the 5th. She just found out yesterday afternoon that she had to fly out this morning.

How can she change this court date? There is no number to call on the ticket and no instructions in regards to this. The ticket was issued by a state trooper using LIDAR in Deerfield near Town Line Road. She intends to plead guilty and just pay the fine.


Is she trying to pull a Lindsay Lohan ?

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Pocket, sounds like she would be contesting on a technical issue there like Irfan was talking about. She's a smart girl when it comes to bio and medical stuff but not so much when it comes to the technical crap. And getting a lawyer, just to end up pissing off the judge doesn't sound like much fun either.

Got an e-mail from her today saying that she changed her mind and wants to ask for supervision since this is her first offense in almost 10years of driving. I know he can't help directly, but when it comes to this stuff I really value Rob's input and hope he chimes in on the discussion.
It is technical issue, but a very valid one. A speeding ticks of 40+ the posted speed limit is no joke even if it is her first offense in 10 years. Good luck either way.
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Old news guys. They found a judge who sided with lidar and the hole is closed.

Surprised it took that long for them to find a judge who would side on the side of the establishment getting more wins/money. It appears that judges are in fact part of the establishment /s
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If I recall correctly, not too long ago they passed some law that would not allow supervision for speeding over a certain amount. Then very recently there was an article in the paper that said there was going to be a crackdown because judges were not enforcing the law. Just FYI.

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Thread explaining the now dead LIDAR "loophole"
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Thread explaining the now dead LIDAR "loophole"
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Where do you think I learn this stuff. Sorry I didn't credit my source

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That sucks. Thanks for the update.
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I would call a lawyer. They are usually around $200 and for almost 40 over the limit more than a fine can happen I believe.

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