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Vertical plates and few other new laws in IL

So I'm catching up on reading the American Motorcyclist from when I was gone, and found this in the statewatch of the October 2012 issue, thought it was worth sharing:

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A new law allows for the vertical mounting of motorcycle license plates, raises the height limit for motorcycle handlebars to no higher than the operator's head, allows a motorcycle modulating brake light, and creates the offense of aggravated operating of a motorcycle on one wheel if the operator is also speeding. The new law is the result of Senate Bill 3452, sponsored by Sen. Donne Trotter (D-Chicago).

Another new law requires motorcyclists to wait no less than 120 second before proceeding with due caution through an intersection controlled by a traffic-actuated signal that doesn't recognize their bikes. Motorcyclists in Chicago aren't permitted to proceed through a malfunctioning traffic-actuated signal. This new law is the result of Senate Bill 2528, sponsored by Sen. Gary Forby (D-59th)"

So, what I get from all this, is as long as I wheelie without speeding, I'm good to go!
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July 06, 2012 5:15 pm • By Kurt Erickson Lee Springfield Bureau(3) Comments
SPRINGFIELD | Gov. Pat Quinn signed legislation Thursday designed to crack down on a popular motorcycle stunt.

Beginning Jan. 1, bikers could face tougher sanctions if they are caught doing wheelies.

A wheelie occurs when the front wheel of the motorcycle lifts off the pavement with a twist of the throttle and the bike is ridden on the rear wheel only.

The measure calls for an initial fine of $100. However, motorcyclists caught a second time could face up to six months in jail and a maximum fine of $1,500.

Bikers nabbed for a third wheelie offense could face up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

The new law is part of a package of new motorcycle safety provisions approved by the General Assembly this spring.

In addition to the tougher wheelie penalties, the law calls for motorcycle riders to keep at least one hand on the handlebars at all times when the bike is in motion.
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This has really gotten out of hand. These laws are not going to stop anything....

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This has really gotten out of hand. These laws are not going to stop anything....
What do you mean by what you post? What is not going to stop? The people that got those laws passed won't stop there. If stunt riding and all of the other behavior by irresponsible riders continue it will only bring more legislation that puts undue restriction on motorcycling and make the job of groups like the AMA and A.B.A.T.E that much harder to keep motorcycling as unrestricted as possible. You should have seen what the original proposed bill included and know how hard A.B.A.T.E fought to get it toned down.
If you want to stunt and pop wheelies and such there are closed course competitions for it. The Edens or Dan Ryan or city streets are not the place for it.
Stiffer penalties and high fines with jail time attached is becoming a trend. Personally, I would like to see something like a $300 fine for first offense for texting while driving. $1500 and 30 days in jail for a second offense. But that's another discussion.

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Just curious, has lane splitting in Illinois been brought up lately?
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Just curious, has lane splitting in Illinois been brought up lately?
Every time I am in traffic , someone on a bike brings that law into action.

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That wheelie law will increase fatalities. People need to realize none of these laws are for safety or our well being, they are only revenue grabs. When someone balls a wheelie, the only person they hurt is themselves. Find me one instance where someone other than the person doing the wheelie got hurt. That will be difficult enough to find, and then extrapolate that out to the percentage of total wheelie mishaps. Statistically inconsequential. More people will run because of the stiffer sanctions, get in over their heads and die. Nice "safety" law.

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That wheelie law will increase fatalities. People need to realize none of these laws are for safety or our well being, they are only revenue grabs. When someone balls a wheelie, the only person they hurt is themselves. Find me one instance where someone other than the person doing the wheelie got hurt. That will be difficult enough to find, and then extrapolate that out to the percentage of total wheelie mishaps. Statistically inconsequential. More people will run because of the stiffer sanctions, get in over their heads and die. Nice "safety" law.
You have a point, but arguing the inverse is less realistic. You're basically saying that laws should be softened to prevent people from making poorer decision based on the risk of crime vs. penalty.

Somehow I managed to ride for years on the street without ever pulling a wheelie (with the exception of a newbie clutching mistake from a stop that scared the crap out of me LOL). Intelligence, common sense, adolescence, available torque, road conditions, etc, are all no excuse for failing to abide by laws. I'm curious as to what statistics say about the number of riders who run form police versus pull over without incident?

I'm actually surprised the allowance of vertical plates is not being discussed more, based on the number of bikes I see running them. (Although $10 says that Chicago still tickets this 'offense' on some silly home-rule basis.)

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That wheelie law will increase fatalities.
That's the dumbest thing you've ever said. So the people who did wheelies before were the law-abiding type and would never run, but now will run all of a sudden? People who did, and do, run from the cops always will no matter what the laws are.
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how about the concessions? They made the license plate, handlebar, and stoplight laws pretty relaxed.

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That's the dumbest thing you've ever said. So the people who did wheelies before were the law-abiding type and would never run, but now will run all of a sudden? People who did, and do, run from the cops always will no matter what the laws are.
I got caught doing a wheelie, saw the officer behind and pulled over to take my lumps. I might run now knowing the penalty for the wheelie. Its pretty much a given that a halfway decent rider can disappear in traffic. So yeah, it will make people run that would not have run before. Ive said way dumber stuff, you know that.

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I stand by my statement. Total money grab. If it was about safety, these penalties would be imposed on texting while driving which causes far more accidents and fatalities. We keep seeing signs"oh please dont text and drive" yet the laws regarding getting caught are pretty lax.

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how about the concessions? They made the license plate, handlebar, and stoplight laws pretty relaxed.
That's what I was thinking. Focus on the positive, I especially like the handlebar rule. The risers on my 10R are definitely head-level so no getting pulled over now.

Srsly, the stoplight change is fantastic. An example of common-sense in the legislature.

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Have to agree with Kegger. This is about revenue generations and turning people into felons. Same with texting while driving (revenue generation). That issue has been so blown out of proportion but yet the sheep keep hounding on it. 2009 = 5474 fatalities nationwide because of "distracted driving". Of those about 995 were attributed to cell phone usage, nationwide. As of 2009 there were 209,618,386 licensed drivers in the US. So because people can't remove emotion from logical legislation we have to pay the price because texting while driving has killed roughly 0.00047% of the licensed driving population. Right...

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SPRINGFIELD | Gov. Pat Quinn signed legislation Thursday designed to crack down on a popular motorcycle stunt.

Beginning Jan. 1, bikers could face tougher sanctions if they are caught doing wheelies.

A wheelie occurs when the front wheel of the motorcycle lifts off the pavement with a twist of the throttle and the bike is ridden on the rear wheel only.

The measure calls for an initial fine of $100. However, motorcyclists caught a second time could face up to six months in jail and a maximum fine of $1,500.

Bikers nabbed for a third wheelie offense could face up to one year in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

The new law is part of a package of new motorcycle safety provisions approved by the General Assembly this spring.

In addition to the tougher wheelie penalties, the law calls for motorcycle riders to keep at least one hand on the handlebars at all times when the bike is in motion.
so the initial fine is actually less than a standard moving violation (currently $120) so where is the "money grab" there? the subsequent offenses are steeper but if you read a statue book many fines for second/third/etc offenses for misdemeanor convictions go up pretty steep. and i'm not just talking about traffic ones either ("victimless" property crimes, etc). these are still misdemeanors btw, not felonies.

so how many additional second/third offenses do you think are going to be written that is going to make this huge "money grab"?

everyone is upset that if they break a law they shouldn't be breaking in the first place they will get fined more? solution: stop breaking laws. if you're a big boy and want to play then be a big boy and be ready to pay the cost if you are caught.
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everyone is upset that if they break a law they shouldn't be breaking in the first place they will get fined more? solution: stop breaking laws. if you're a big boy and want to play then be a big boy and be ready to pay the cost if you are caught.

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so the initial fine is actually less than a standard moving violation (currently $120) so where is the "money grab" there? the subsequent offenses are steeper but if you read a statue book many fines for second/third/etc offenses for misdemeanor convictions go up pretty steep. and i'm not just talking about traffic ones either ("victimless" property crimes, etc). these are still misdemeanors btw, not felonies.

so how many additional second/third offenses do you think are going to be written that is going to make this huge "money grab"?

everyone is upset that if they break a law they shouldn't be breaking in the first place they will get fined more? solution: stop breaking laws. if you're a big boy and want to play then be a big boy and be ready to pay the cost if you are caught.
C'mon man, dont be mad cause you dont do wheelies. If you ever do you'll know why there will be additional second and third offenses....as WSE would say "once you pop, you cant stop" LOL

Paying "the cost" and going to jail are two different things.....and then people wonder why the jails are overcrowded. I have no problem paying fines for traffic violations. Sending people to jail for doing wheelies is ridiculous. The fact that it is "reckless driving" doing a wheelie while going at the speed limit is ridiculous too. I know lots of guys that are more in control on one wheel than other people on two wheels.

Just playing devils advocate here Eric. Hell I dont even ride on the street anymore.

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I meant the laws are over kill.. Better Rider training would be a better way to change things.

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C'mon man, dont be mad cause you dont do wheelies. If you ever do you'll know why there will be additional second and third offenses....as WSE would say "once you pop, you cant stop" LOL

Paying "the cost" and going to jail are two different things.....and then people wonder why the jails are overcrowded. I have no problem paying fines for traffic violations. Sending people to jail for doing wheelies is ridiculous. The fact that it is "reckless driving" doing a wheelie while going at the speed limit is ridiculous too. I know lots of guys that are more in control on one wheel than other people on two wheels.

Just playing devils advocate here Eric. Hell I dont even ride on the street anymore.
me too. i'm bored so arguing with people on CLSB about their constant whining about something or the other entertained me for a bit today.
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Paying "the cost" and going to jail are two different things.....and then people wonder why the jails are overcrowded. I have no problem paying fines for traffic violations. Sending people to jail for doing wheelies is ridiculous. The fact that it is "reckless driving" doing a wheelie while going at the speed limit is ridiculous too. I know lots of guys that are more in control on one wheel than other people on two wheels.
I do have to agree with this. I've seen some people get passed on the riding part of the "M" class test, or even worse in MSF classes, that have no business being on two wheels. On the contrary, if I can pass the damn riding test on one wheel, how can you tell me I'm being reckless?
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