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post #1 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-11-2005, 03:33 PM Thread Starter
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Help! I need a Lawyer!

I just got pulled over this morning by a DuPage Sheriff and I am thinking of hiring a lawyer to fight the ticket for me. Anyone know of a good one in the Chicagoland area? (I was in Glendlale Heights, I live in Lombard) I'll pay the $100-$200 to avoid the $375+ in fines.

Also, how can I go about requesting the calibration information to check if the radar gun is up to date? Edit: There seems to be no radar number on the ticket and he was just hoping that I was speeding?!? He asked me if I knew how fast I was going and I said something like "I'm not sure, maybe 50 in a 45 mph zone," and he wrote "admited to 50mph" on the ticket w/o checking the boxes on the ticket that he used any other method other than what I said...

(Lesson: keep your honest mouth shut, you idiot!)

Also, doesn't he have to put the VIN number on the ticket somewhere - it's not on there anywhere? And, he completely misidentified my bike, I haven't transfered the plates from my old bike, and he marked down that the bike is an 89 Yam and I have an 02 Suz. Should I bring people to court that can testify that I was riding my Suzuki that day? Does the misidentification even matter?

I could see the bastard calling in my plates while he was pulling me over; I didn't want to stop in the middle of a 4-lane road with no shoulder, so I was going to the next intersection to pull off of the road and he put his pushed his siren button as if I was completely oblivious that he was there. . .He probaby had the paperwork already filled out before he even stepped out of the car. I sat there for about 2min before he even came out to talk to me.


Doesn't the burdon of proof fall on the officer/prosecutor to prove w/o a shadow of a doubt that I was going that fast?

Anyway, thanks in advance for any advice.
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post #2 of 20 (permalink) Old 06-11-2005, 04:08 PM
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Well, I always feel like that's being pushy or something, won't the cop just get more pissed off if I ask him that? And, what happens when he says no?

But anyway, I need to deal with the ticket now, so I need a good lawyer....
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Your vin doesnt need to be on the ticket, that is what the blank for the registration number is for. If you havent switched that yet you got away without another ticket for that.
Generally if you are decent with the police they will show you the radar display, but there is nothing that says they have to. Just dont start demanding to see it because its pretty much ensuring you arent going to get to see the radar.
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I think if you push it your going to screw yourself over the plate transfer. As for a lawyer I would find one from the town the ticket is in they are used to dealing with that court system. Go to the courthouse and to the traffic department and find one you like just ask them for their card.
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He gave you a ticket for 50 in a 45? If that is the case where does the $375+ fine come in at? If all you got was a ticket for 5 over then just go to court without a lawyer and get supervision. It's that easy. It would cost you more to fight the fact you were going 5 over or not.


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were you pulled over in a work zone area???? (because cost of the ticket)
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oops! for future reference, when you're asked how fast you were going your standard answer is whatever the posted speed limit is (unless you were caught in the middle of something blatently stupid like triple digits). If he disagrees with you then he'll show you the radar.
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were you pulled over in a work zone area???? (because cost of the ticket)
Yeah, it was a work zone. I think the guy was just looking for someone to ticket in the work zone...
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Yeah, it was a work zone. I think the guy was just looking for someone to ticket in the work zone...
Of course he was!!

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Yeah, it was a work zone. I think the guy was just looking for someone to ticket in the work zone...
Next question: were there actually workers present at the time????

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Next question: were there actually workers present at the time????
It doesn't matter anymore. I don't think they have to be present anymore for you to get the nasty ticket.

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Doesn't the burdon of proof fall on the officer/prosecutor to prove w/o a shadow of a doubt that I was going that fast?
Actually, tickets are a civil offense, and in such matters the burden of proof is different. Whereas in criminal matters the standard is that the prosecution must prove its case "beyond a reasonable doubt", in civil matters the standard is "preponderance of the evidence", which basically means a "50% + 1" of the evidence must be on your side to win.

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If you admitted to the officer that you were speeding, the ticket is 100% valid and you're pretty much shit out of luck. That being said, a lawyer can still get you out of most of it.

The only answer to give when a cop asks you questions is, "I'm positive that I was obeying all traffic laws and posted speed limits." If they ask you what the speed limit is for that zone, look directly at them and ask if you're free to go, or say "What an odd question, why do you ask?". If you get a ticket and they've asked you this, make a note that the officer seemed uncertain of the speed limit for the area when he pulled you over.

The other option is. When the cop arrives, ask them "What seems to be the trouble officer?"... or my personal favorite "Welcome to Wendy's, can I help you?" (be ready for a sobriety test... but they'll forget about the speeding ticket).
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"Welcome to Wendy's, can I help you?" (be ready for a sobriety test... but they'll forget about the speeding ticket).

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I wouldn't mention that you didn't xfer the plates to the new bike, cause the court will probably slap some fines on your right there.

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oh yeah, i plan on transfering the plates BEFORE I go to court hehe. . . and I plan on getting some legal advice - hopefully if I find a good lawyer, I'll get off the hook. . . I really can't afford the 500 greenbacks for the ticket (work zone: 375 + 20-over: ~125?)

(Also, I admited to 50, but he wrote 55; and, he didn't check the box for HOW he came to that conclusion. . .)
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...or my personal favorite "Welcome to Wendy's, can I help you?" (be ready for a sobriety test... but they'll forget about the speeding ticket).
I can't see how being a smart-ass or anything less than respectful will help your situation. The LEO holds all the cards in these sitations, and being a prick will only give them reason to show you who's boss.

I'm always respectful of them and try to bite my tongue regardless of how incorrect they may be.

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