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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-17-2006, 07:05 AM Thread Starter
 
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felony?

Not that I have been caught or NEthing, but I heard that as of the new yr (2006); it is now a felony to do a wheelie ?!?!?!?!?!??????? I don't hold high regaurd to the source of this (seeing as this idiot does not even know how to ride let alone own a bike), I just wanted to know if anyone else has heard anything about this !?!?!?!?
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post #2 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-17-2006, 08:52 AM
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I can't see anyone taking a trip to PMITA prison because they got a little too much throttle. On the other hand, multi-mile wheelies above the speed limit could extend beyond reckless operation and get into that territory... Not sure how they'd draw the line on that.

Thankfully I can't wheelie so this doesn't concern me much. As a whole though, I agree with your assessment: Your friend is an idiot.

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post #3 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-17-2006, 09:37 AM Thread Starter
 
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I have heard a bunch of (in my eyes) "rumors" on "new" laws. Including the wheelies being a felony now. Other than that one I have heard driving while ur licnense is suspended is also becoming a felony?!?!????
idk, some of this would not portain to me NEway. Honestly the whole wheelie thing doesnt entirely apply to me,,,, *YET* since this was the year I was going to attempt to get away from the high speeds (on public highways NEway) and start goin' for some wheelie/stunt action that's one reason I figure I should re-assure myself a simple wheelie has not become a felony, seeing as I would NOT pay to be in a "closed course" to practice wheelies!!!
about the only one I know that went into effect was the smoking one in chicago, that I heard about in the news (and I don't even know the specifics on that one, nor do I really care since I quit smoking cigarettes almost a month ago)
TY for the input, look foreward for more input!!! if anyone has any more details please let me know !!! greatly appreciate it
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post #4 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-17-2006, 09:41 AM
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See item (c) below. I don't know if this is law or they were just trying to change it to this.
EDIT: Looks like this was ammended and this is law
EDIT: The aggrivated reckless driving is probally only used for people who run from the cops. You probally wouldn't get that for wheelies, (but you could), unless you have a long and shitty driving record

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publ...682&print=true



Public Act 093-0682

HB4006 Enrolled LRB093 16016 WGH 41640 b



AN ACT concerning vehicular offenses.

Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
represented in the General Assembly:

Section 5. The Illinois Vehicle Code is amended by changing
Section 11-503 as follows:

(625 ILCS 5/11-503) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-503)
Sec. 11-503. Reckless driving; aggravated reckless
driving.
(a) A Any person commits reckless driving if he or she:
(1) who drives any vehicle with a willful or wanton
disregard for the safety of persons or property; or
(2) knowingly drives a vehicle and uses an incline in a
roadway, such as a railroad crossing, bridge approach, or
hill, to cause the vehicle to become airborne is guilty of
reckless driving.
(b) Every person convicted of reckless driving shall be
guilty of a Class A misdemeanor, except as provided under
subsection (c) of this Section.
(c) Every person convicted of committing a violation of
subsection (a) shall be guilty of aggravated reckless driving
if the violation results in great bodily harm or permanent
disability or disfigurement to another. Aggravated reckless
driving is a Class 4 felony.
(Source: P.A. 88-679, eff. 7-1-95.)

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If you're doing anything at 20 MPH over the speed limit, in Ohio, it's reckless operation of a motor vehicle. That's the lowest level of felony, or, class 5. No jail time typically but, it could result in a suspended license.

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since this was the year I was going to attempt to get away from the high speeds (on public highways NEway)
Considered a track day? You got the bike for it.

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post #7 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-17-2006, 11:07 AM
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Umhummm... no wheelies at track day, however. (acceleration wheelies acceptable... not intentional ones)

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Hmm.. .No felony unless:

"if the violation results in great bodily harm or permanent
disability or disfigurement to another."

Then you can poentially get pounded in the *AHEM*

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Cops are notorious for spreading rumors for stuff like this to change roadway tendencies...like the 'ole rumor about gang members targeting people that flash their lights to warn others of hidden radar cops...some think it was all started by the fuzz in an attempt to stop people from giving them away.

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post #10 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-18-2006, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
 
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I've been thinkin' about some track days... Only I heard it can get quite costly [and I am a broke @$$ and all ]
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I've been thinkin' about some track days... Only I heard it can get quite costly [and I am a broke @$$ and all ]

Seems like you have 3 bikes... sell one and that'll finance trackdays for the year.

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More more costly than a fine for a minor felony and court costs.

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post #13 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-18-2006, 09:14 AM Thread Starter
 
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well as far as wheelies, I wouldnt even feel the urge at a track. I would be having too much fun rippin shit up!!! and as far as the speed at the track, wouldnt even honestly matter to me, as long as I was hittin those turns as fast as my riding ability would allow me to; I would be having fun! now on the street on the other hand, I don't like speed limits and laws telling me I have to keep my front wheel on the ground!!! riding the posted speed limit with both wheels on the groud is juss bloody boring!!! that's pretty much my thought process! for me to STOP doing around 195 MPH on public highways, because if I got caught doin' 195 (or NEthing even close) I am damn near 100% likely to lose my bike AND go to jail! I would rather STOP that shit and start doin' wheelies and other stunts and shit on public roads (I didnt say "in traffic"), and start doing track days for speeds/twisties But if I cant afford that I will juss stick to my wheelies and stunts on those nice little "semi-abandonded" roads, and industrial areas (that are notorious for stuntin')! either way I need to find something that will work for me all around, something that

A) will keep me the hell OUT OF JAIL, and from LOSING my BYKE!

B) something that I can afford; whether it be the $75 on the street for doing wheelies (or other "ticketable" stunts), and/or the $????.?? for going to the track (membership)
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well as far as wheelies, I wouldnt even feel the urge at a track. I would be having too much fun rippin shit up!!! and as far as the speed at the track, wouldnt even honestly matter to me, as long as I was hittin those turns as fast as my riding ability would allow me to; I would be having fun! now on the street on the other hand, I don't like speed limits and laws telling me I have to keep my front wheel on the ground!!! riding the posted speed limit with both wheels on the groud is juss bloody boring!!! that's pretty much my thought process! for me to STOP doing around 195 MPH on public highways, because if I got caught doin' 195 (or NEthing even close) I am damn near 100% likely to lose my bike AND go to jail! I would rather STOP that shit and start doin' wheelies and other stunts and shit on public roads (I didnt say "in traffic"), and start doing track days for speeds/twisties But if I cant afford that I will juss stick to my wheelies and stunts on those nice little "semi-abandonded" roads, and industrial areas (that are notorious for stuntin')! either way I need to find something that will work for me all around, something that

A) will keep me the hell OUT OF JAIL, and from LOSING my BYKE!

B) something that I can afford; whether it be the $75 on the street for doing wheelies (or other "ticketable" stunts), and/or the $????.?? for going to the track (membership)
Sensible enough.

First of all, it is a specific offense in Illinois to pull a wheelie:

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(625 ILCS 5/11-1403.2) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 11-1403.2)
Sec. 11-1403.2. No person shall operate a motorcycle, motor driven cycle, or motorized pedalcycle on one wheel.
(Source: P.A. 85-830.)
Note: NOT a felony, but a traffic offense and, as you already seem to know, a $75 ticket. It would take some work to get a reckless driving charge out of a wheelie, but then, there are people who can manage it. Best not to be one of them. (Hint #1: Don't get out of control. Hint #2: Traffic laws are mostly--not always--enforcable only on public roads.)

Now, as for being able to afford it: NESBA membership is $75 per year, and events generally run from $130-175 per day. That's real money, true, but so are traffic tickets. So is getting your insurance premiums jacked up because you have too many tickets. So is having to spend the day in court dealing with your tickets. You get the picture. Besides which, they can help you go faster, better. (Besides THAT, it's a hell of a fun group to hang with, but that's a subject for elsewhere.)

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Thank you for all for the insight. I think it will effect my decisions in the future. I think I am going to stick to "sensible" "street riding", as far as being able to "have fun" on my ride I will stick to wheelies ,&/o other "stunts" (and that will mainly be on desolite roads, and industrial areas). It is also highly probable that I will give the track a shot!

So,,, Wink. You are a NESBA member, and frequent the tracks???
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I think I may have to try out the free intro day (after reading about it, thank you)! I also notice that you live in the same general region as myself, and possibly I could attempt to arrange on going to the track on one of the days you'd be going! Let me know what you think of that. Perhaps we could arrange a day to "hang out" talk about things in person, and take a ride somewhere...Let me know whatchya think
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There are a lot of us that are NESBA members. You've got a very good chance of hooking up with one of us for a ride to a trackday. I look forward to seeing out this season.

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Cops are notorious for spreading rumors for stuff like this to change roadway tendencies...like the 'ole rumor about gang members targeting people that flash their lights to warn others of hidden radar cops...some think it was all started by the fuzz in an attempt to stop people from giving them away.

I thought people did that because i forgot to turn on my daytime running lights.
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post #18 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-21-2006, 04:45 AM
 
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I think it depends on how the ticket is worded too. The cop can just write "reckless operation..." That is a higher fine than writing "operating a motorcycle on one wheel." I know someone who has gotten a few tickets for that offense.
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I think it depends on how the ticket is worded too. The cop can just write "reckless operation..." That is a higher fine than writing "operating a motorcycle on one wheel." I know someone who has gotten a few tickets for that offense.
In Illinois, at least, it's more than just a higher fine, it's a more serious offense, a misdemeanor or felony. You can go to jail for a misdemeanor, though that's not common for reckless driving, but you can't go to jail for a petty offense. OOOW is a petty offense (at least the first two times you're caught).

It's more than just how the ticket is worded, though. They have to charge you with violating some specific section of the law, and for that purpose they generally have to cite the specific code section you're being charged under. So, while they could specifically charge under the reckless operation statute, they would then have to follow through on that.

Practically speaking, that means they would have to prove that you not only pulled a wheelie, but that you did it in a particularly reckless fashion. The theory here is that pulling a wheelie is not, on its own, reckless driving, because there is a separate law against that, and the legislature wouldn't bother to outlaw the same thing twice.

It doesn't mean you're in the clear if they can't prove recklessness, though. If they prove OOOW without recklessness, you can usually still be convicted of that instead, but in that case it's still just a traffic ticket and not a misdemeanor charge.

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