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speeding, tickets, and suspended licenses... OH MY!

ok so i went to get a rate quote for insurance today and they said i have a pending suspension on my license. typically this means i didn't do something, right? i don't have any tickets showing on my record from the insurance company, but some dumb broad at the dmv (don't mean to offend any ladies here, but the women at the DMV aren't the brightest bulbs in the pack... forgive my chauvanism on this one as we all hate the dmv ladies) told me i have like 3 tickets this year... now i truly don't remember getting tickets... they said something about calling the courthouse and getting supervision for something or having a ticket vacated... how do i go about doing this? who do i call to set up a court date asap to do something about it? i know the situation is vague, but i don't know anything about it either.... if i had a ticket and was still under supervision, wouldn't it show up on my insurance record? anybody have any advice at all?
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Go to dmv. Ask for "court purpose abstract" (it's your driving record)


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Step 1

Go to dmv. Ask for "court purpose abstract" (it's your driving record)


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i was just at the dmv and the lady said i couldn't see it... what the hell! damn i hate the systems we have! alright i'll go back tomorrow and do that.
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i was just at the dmv and the lady said i couldn't see it... what the hell! damn i hate the systems we have! alright i'll go back tomorrow and do that.
You have to ask for a printout and pay them for it.







duh, the DMV wants their monies!
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You have to ask for a printout and pay them for it.







duh, the DMV wants their monies!
figures... heaven forbid our government offers us something for free! who do i call at the courthouse though to set up a court date? and can i go to the local courthouse, i.e. carpentersville, or do i have to go to kane county?
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hrm. guess i'll find out. how much does it cost to get a copy of your record?
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I know a guy, I'll get it for ya for 4500 bring cash.

seriously it costs like 6 bucks. go to DMV, tell them you need it for court. yes they will ask why you need it. get copy take it too lawyer. tell lawyer... and I quote "I am a dumb ass who didn't pay attention to my tickets and now I'm in trouble, please help" then get out your checkbook.

this is why I send a lawyer to court for every ticket I get, I had (lets just say ) over 3 last year and none are on my record. Granted I spent over 2 grand but my record is clean as a whistle.




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So you got no ticket in the last two years? This is a mistake by the Secretary of State, Right? Your insurance company may not have a record because they have not run your driving record recently. Were you pulled over? Were your running Ipass lanes?
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I am going to take a stab in the dark with this one so here it goes.

Lets play devil's advocate for a minute and say you "should" remember getting at least three tickets in one year. Sorry, but if I were to get pulled over by the police at least three times and I received a ticket every time, THAT is something I would remember! If you failed to do anything with these three tickets, I am hoping for you these tickets were issued in Cook County and not DuPage, Will or McHenry. Even a high priced traffic-based attorney may have an issue with these.

Now one possible scenario is you and someone else share common letters and numbers in your name and date of birth. When you get your driver's license number, the State generates this by what you enter as yuor personal information. It is not unusual where multiple driver's license numbers are issued to different people. This is why it is important to keep your photo updated (now more than ever since your photo is digitized and can be retreived immediately by police for identification), address and your height and weight. An insurance company may be viewing a file but it might not be yours; it will show the same driver's license number and they are taking the first one they see.

As for calling the courthouse, forget it until you get your driver's abstract. Like the others have said, this is available to you for court documentation purposes through the Sect of State for a fee. This is not the same abstract that we get in court, but it will show all the driving violations and accidents that have been reported to the State (not sure if your copy will show accidents).
You need to determine what county the tickets were issued in. I can tell you right now, if you did miss out on three tickets and a period of time has passed - I would say more than three months, you are almost guaranteed to have Failure to Appear Warrants issued for your arrest. There is NOTHING an attorney can do about this except ask that the warrants be vacated but again, this depends on the county and how much time has lapsed. This is assuming you rcevied the tickets in one county. If not, you need to appear in each venue - do you see $$$$$ yet?
If you do get lucky enough to get them vacated, keep the Order to Vacate with you AT ALL TIMES. The vacate order is not immediate. The order must reach the departments who generated the warrants and have to be removed from the State computer manually. If you unknowingly get pulled over again, the Order to Vacate is the ONLY proof you have and the ONLY way you will get out of getting arrested. When it is an arrest based on a warrant, police must act in "good faith" that the warrant is valid and active. If the warrant is confirmed with the issuing agency and it will be until they receive the vacate, you will be arrested.

And finally, I am going to throw this out there and yes, I am about to sound like the typical cop but this needs to be said. So for those of you who dislike us, stop reading now.......



When you take your driver's test, pass and the State issues you a license, you have earned a "privilege" to drive. It is NOT your Constitutional Right to drive. This is not something that you can go to the Federal Courts and sue the police for enforcing.
If you abuse these privileges, the State will suspend, revoke or cancel this privilege. Over my years in this business, I have come to realize a few things... we and the State are always blamed for screwing up someone's privilege to drive because they think they earned the RIGHT to drive. The employees at the Sect of State office are miserable people. Why... because drivers of all ages come in there and blame THEM for something you did. Remember, we simply have to assist you in you dealing with your problem. We are not mandated to take over your problem and solve it for you.
Sure mistakes happen and I will be the first to admit it. This is very simple, you speed, you get a ticket, you fail to follow up, THEN we hold you accountable - your fault, not ours. You lost or violated the privilege, we are just enforcing the laws that you agreed to abide within when you signed your name on the dotted line.

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well i went and got my drivers abstract from the dmv today... still shows no tickets in the last 2 years... i talked to the hearing officer as per my stepfather who is an elgin cop, and he said the 'new law' is that if you've previously had a suspension and are under 21, getting 1 more ticket will yield another suspension. now forgive me for saying this, as you are right that it is a privilege to drive and not a right, but it's pretty ludicrous that i got my license suspended over 2 years ago and now am about to deal with another suspension for getting a 'following too closely' ticket. but regardless, laws are laws despite how ridiculous they are. i went to the kane county clerks office and filed a motion to vacate this ticket. my plan is to bring it back to court, since i completely forgot about my first court date and just paid the ticket since i didn't know this law, and try to negotiate supervision at least. i know that without an attorney your odds of getting vacated are pretty slim, but would it work to get supervision as i haven't had any offenses for the last 2 years? anybody had any success with vacating a ticket?
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I'm usually one to say, "you do the crime now do the time" but in this case the punishment seems a bit extreme for the infraction. To penalize you again because of something in the past doesn't seem right.

I hope you get it worked out.

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I'm usually one to say, "you do the crime now do the time" but in this case the punishment seems a bit extreme for the infraction. To penalize you again because of something in the past doesn't seem right.

I hope you get it worked out.
i would usually agree with you... gotta pay to play right? but yes this is a bit extreme for a following too closely ticket. oh well.
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well i went and got my drivers abstract from the dmv today... still shows no tickets in the last 2 years... i talked to the hearing officer as per my stepfather who is an elgin cop, and he said the 'new law' is that if you've previously had a suspension and are under 21, getting 1 more ticket will yield another suspension. now forgive me for saying this, as you are right that it is a privilege to drive and not a right, but it's pretty ludicrous that i got my license suspended over 2 years ago and now am about to deal with another suspension for getting a 'following too closely' ticket. but regardless, laws are laws despite how ridiculous they are. i went to the kane county clerks office and filed a motion to vacate this ticket. my plan is to bring it back to court, since i completely forgot about my first court date and just paid the ticket since i didn't know this law, and try to negotiate supervision at least. i know that without an attorney your odds of getting vacated are pretty slim, but would it work to get supervision as i haven't had any offenses for the last 2 years? anybody had any success with vacating a ticket?
Tailgater?! Back the fuck off, you'll get there soon.
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Tailgater?! Back the fuck off, you'll get there soon.
i really wasn't that close though... my town is just notorious assholes, if you have ever heard of sleepy hollow... i had about a car length at 35. was just trying to push the guy along a little bit since the speed limit was 45. long days at work and anxious to get home... plus it was the lone female cop in our town, who is by EVERYONE'S standard, an ass. she thinks she has something to prove.
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i really wasn't that close though... my town is just notorious assholes, if you have ever heard of sleepy hollow... i had about a car length at 35. was just trying to push the guy along a little bit since the speed limit was 45. long days at work and anxious to get home... plus it was the lone female cop in our town, who is by EVERYONE'S standard, an ass. she thinks she has something to prove.
No sweat. Lots of assholes have been driving 10-15mph under the limit. I like to push them too!
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No sweat. Lots of assholes have been driving 10-15mph under the limit. I like to push them too!
i get in more trouble from reacting to people driving ridiculously slow than anything! most of my gettings pulled over have indirectly been because people drive 10-15 under the limit, when i get a chance to pass them i do, then i just don't slow down because of frustration.
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i get in more trouble from reacting to people driving ridiculously slow than anything! most of my gettings pulled over have indirectly been because people drive 10-15 under the limit, when i get a chance to pass them i do, then i just don't slow down because of frustration.
There is a guy here at work that lives out by me. He drives like a total asshole, passing on double yellows, tailgating, and honking at people who aren't speeding. More often than not, he starts out behind me, and eventually gets in front of me. The funny part is that we arrive to the parking lot at the SAME time.

Driving like that isn't going to save you too much time, and is just going to make your blood boil.
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There is a guy here at work that lives out by me. He drives like a total asshole, passing on double yellows, tailgating, and honking at people who aren't speeding. More often than not, he starts out behind me, and eventually gets in front of me. The funny part is that we arrive to the parking lot at the SAME time.

Driving like that isn't going to save you too much time, and is just going to make your blood boil.
save for a few seconds, yes. and i understand that... i just get very frustrated very easily. can't stand traffic and slow driving people. i'm still in a calming down process though over a few years.
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There is a guy here at work that lives out by me. He drives like a total asshole, passing on double yellows, tailgating, and honking at people who aren't speeding. More often than not, he starts out behind me, and eventually gets in front of me. The funny part is that we arrive to the parking lot at the SAME time.

Driving like that isn't going to save you too much time, and is just going to make your blood boil.
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