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post #1 of 37 (permalink) Old 08-06-2009, 01:12 PM Thread Starter
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Advice on B.S. ticket?

I come out of work yesterday and I spot a ticket on my car. I think, my car is parked in a lot and I paid for the whole day, so WTF?
The ticket says for a plastic plate cover. Double WTF! I'd understand a dark tinted plate cover, but its clear plastic!
I have a clear plastic cover for no particular reason other than it may stop someone who wants to snatch my plate sticker. Anyone know if I can successfully challenge this and win? Or have some advice?
There was a bunch of other cars with tickets in the lot; this was in the west Loop.
Fucken city really trying to get every last dollar out of us.

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Nope you screwed. All plate covers are illegal.

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I come out of work yesterday and I spot a ticket on my car. I think, my car is parked in a lot and I paid for the whole day, so WTF?
The ticket says for a plastic plate cover. Double WTF! I'd understand a dark tinted plate cover, but its clear plastic!
I have a clear plastic cover for no particular reason other than it may stop someone who wants to snatch my plate sticker. Anyone know if I can successfully challenge this and win? Or have some advice?
There was a bunch of other cars with tickets in the lot; this was in the west Loop.
Fucken city really trying to get every last dollar out of us.
I went to Costco yesterday and there were two squads going up and down through the parking lot checking everyones city stickers

I have my damn city sticker.. (love how they added the zone pass to it so it's one sticker.. still wonder why it costs more to do that than 2 stickers though?) but why are our tax dollars being used to increase revenue by screwing us? Seems to me we are making an investment none of us want to make... Not exactly serving and protecting...
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When did they make clear ones illegal? It used to be just tinted.

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When did they make clear ones illegal? It used to be just tinted.
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some clear ones can foil the red light cameras by making the numbers blurry when viewed at an angle but look fine straight on
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Sucks....... I'll try to contest it anyway and see if I have some luck.
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Maybe it's a fix-it type ticket - take off the cover and prove it to the court that it's no longer on there.

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i got dinged on this 3 years ago, ALL plate covers were made illegal by the state in jan while i was still in wisconsin at school and had no idea

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I went to Costco yesterday and there were two squads going up and down through the parking lot checking everyones city stickers

I have my damn city sticker.. (love how they added the zone pass to it so it's one sticker.. still wonder why it costs more to do that than 2 stickers though?) but why are our tax dollars being used to increase revenue by screwing us? Seems to me we are making an investment none of us want to make... Not exactly serving and protecting...
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Anyone else notice that Chicago is taxing bottled water? I might've just missed this but why tax water in bottles but not 'flavored' water or any other drink.
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Anyone else notice that Chicago is taxing bottled water? I might've just missed this but why tax water in bottles but not 'flavored' water or any other drink.
because water in a plastic bottle is unfriendly to the environment... it should be free to play and frolic in our beautiful pristine ecosystem (like the chicago river)

However pop is icky and needs to be protected from our beautiful eco system.. So for that plastic is ok.

Except for Mountain Dew and Green River... Which are the same color and consistency as the Chicago river.. So they should be taxes as well.

Also... Why is pop taxed at 13.25% (bad for you sugar sin tax) but oreos taxed at 2%?
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because water in a plastic bottle is unfriendly to the environment... it should be free to play and frolic in our beautiful pristine ecosystem (like the chicago river)

However pop is icky and needs to be protected from our beautiful eco system.. So for that plastic is ok.

Except for Mountain Dew and Green River... Which are the same color and consistency as the Chicago river.. So they should be taxes as well.

Also... Why is pop taxed at 13.25% (bad for you sugar sin tax) but oreos taxed at 2%?
One is food, the other candy. Funny.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,7082646.story

Just another way to get more money out of us because the government has mismanaged their money. Like me telling my boss, I'm making more money starting next week because I wasted my past pay on booze, electronics and lottery tickets.

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Like me telling my boss, I'm making more money starting next week because I wasted my past pay on booze, electronics and lottery tickets.
This does not work... I tried it.
He just rolled his eyes at me.



You know what else I found interesting about the new laws is.. It matters where you buy...

At Fox and Obel they have a counter in the back where you can buy muffins and stuff in the morning. If you go there the muffin is 2$ plus whatever restaurant entertainment tax and all that is (we are charged some entertainment tax for breakfast too.. even though I don't think my job is that entertaining...) ... but if you walk over the the muffin counter.. and buy the same muffin .. and pay for it at checkout.. it is food.. and taxed at 2% or whatever
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for fawks sake

take a picture of your plate without the plastic lens and mail it in. Sometimes they send you a letter in the mail saying your "not guilty"
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It's illegal. I got one for that a few weeks ago. I doubt they were checking for city stickers. Not all cities have them. We don't.

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It's illegal. I got one for that a few weeks ago. I doubt they were checking for city stickers. Not all cities have them. We don't.
One cop was in the car and the other was walking around the fronts of cars looking at the passenger side of the windshield... and talking to the cop who was in the cruiser idling behind the car he was looking at.. This was a few rows from me so I couldn't hear what they were talking about.. but I saw them look at two cars in a row while I got the baby out of the car and started heading towards the door.... I am guessing that's what they were doing... Imagine they might find a # of other interesting things if they go and run all the plates in a Costco parking lot...

They might have been doing something else.. but that's what it looked like to me.. any CPD know otherwise.. or anyone familiar with some new sting operation.. feel free to correct me
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I assume you talking about City of Chicago? I like to refer to it as the State of Cook...

Anyway, every city, village, town etc may do what is called "home town". Under hometown the city may make ALL tickets (except registration and DL violations) a "city" ticket. The city then receives the majority of the income from the ticket generated. Most if not all revenue goes into a city fund and not a PD fund. Tickets involving Reg/DL violations must be written on a STATE ticket. Reg/DL violations do NOT apply to private property. for example, I have a revoked DL. I am driving on my land. Can I be ticketed? No, I can not. However, could an officer write the ticket anyway? YES. Why? Because if you don't contest it then it's a valid ticket.

Was the "stop" by the officer illegal? yes. do you think if I filed a law suit I'd win? Yes. do you think I'd get lots of money? NOOOO!! It would likely cost me more. So, where's this going? Most people simply pay due to ignorance (not knowing)of the law. Therfore, contact the circuit clerk and request where you can get a copy of the law you violated. Look on the ticket, there should be an ILCS or City code on it. Get the law on said code. Read it. If you violated it then you're screwed. If not, then contest it. Either way, it's not a moving violation. If you just pay it it goes away.

MIND YOU, the city may have their OWN (remember the Hometown thing) code about plate covers since TECHNICALLY its not a registration violation, rather an equipment violation. I don't recall what the state's limitations are in relation to plate covers.

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One cop was in the car and the other was walking around the fronts of cars looking at the passenger side of the windshield... and talking to the cop who was in the cruiser idling behind the car he was looking at.. This was a few rows from me so I couldn't hear what they were talking about.. but I saw them look at two cars in a row while I got the baby out of the car and started heading towards the door.... I am guessing that's what they were doing... Imagine they might find a # of other interesting things if they go and run all the plates in a Costco parking lot...

They might have been doing something else.. but that's what it looked like to me.. any CPD know otherwise.. or anyone familiar with some new sting operation.. feel free to correct me

running the vin? maybe they got a partial hit on a stolen car (partial hit means the plate informs clear but NCIC informs it may be stolen) and were confirming it with the vin

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running the vin? maybe they got a partial hit on a stolen car (partial hit means the plate informs clear but NCIC informs it may be stolen) and were confirming it with the vin
That would make sense. But the fact that they seemed to be going down the row sequentially pointed towards sweerping the parking lot. If it was a specific stolen car I imagine it would be a specific type of car. Not just two cars that happened to be next to eachother in a parking lot. I was being short and didn't mention. But they were there when I pulled up. In that row. So I am basing part of my assumption on a probable 3rd car. Although I only specifically witnessed 2. I think they did the one befor (cop was walking down the middle of the row from that way when I saw him)

still strikes me as odd they would be doing it. But this wouldn't be the first time I've heard of it lately. They got my 9 month preggo neighbor the other day. She was just telling me about it the night before.

I'd be annoyed if I was a cop and I caughb that bs shit duty. But I understand where they are coming from. Suck or not. Jobs a job. And that's what they were told to do (I assume)
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for fawks sake

take a picture of your plate without the plastic lens and mail it in. Sometimes they send you a letter in the mail saying your "not guilty"
Does anyone have a black Lincoln with no rear license plate cover so I can take a picture and mail that in to contest the ticket?

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I assume you talking about City of Chicago? I like to refer to it as the State of Cook...

Anyway, every city, village, town etc may do what is called "home town". Under hometown the city may make ALL tickets (except registration and DL violations) a "city" ticket. The city then receives the majority of the income from the ticket generated. Most if not all revenue goes into a city fund and not a PD fund. Tickets involving Reg/DL violations must be written on a STATE ticket. Reg/DL violations do NOT apply to private property. for example, I have a revoked DL. I am driving on my land. Can I be ticketed? No, I can not. However, could an officer write the ticket anyway? YES. Why? Because if you don't contest it then it's a valid ticket.

Was the "stop" by the officer illegal? yes. do you think if I filed a law suit I'd win? Yes. do you think I'd get lots of money? NOOOO!! It would likely cost me more. So, where's this going? Most people simply pay due to ignorance (not knowing)of the law. Therfore, contact the circuit clerk and request where you can get a copy of the law you violated. Look on the ticket, there should be an ILCS or City code on it. Get the law on said code. Read it. If you violated it then you're screwed. If not, then contest it. Either way, it's not a moving violation. If you just pay it it goes away.

MIND YOU, the city may have their OWN (remember the Hometown thing) code about plate covers since TECHNICALLY its not a registration violation, rather an equipment violation. I don't recall what the state's limitations are in relation to plate covers.

Make sense?
I understand what you're saying. Most people pay it so it will go away and they make their money. One person contest it and it goes away, no real big loss to them, they already made money on all those that did pay.

Maybe I'll go with the Chewbaca defense.......

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Moving out to a more rural area at some point is sounding better and better
of course then there often is the 30-40% pay cut...
and... the "there is nothing to do" factor.. but luckily us motorcyclists do tend to make our own fun

I have considered moving out to the sticks..
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I got 3 tickets the other day, granted they were my fault, but reading this I find it funny....

-expired license sticker (totally my bad, forgot to get the new one)
-no front plate
-rush hour on street parking (despite my flashers being on for a short time in the loading zone).

luckily i walked out right as the tow truck was towing the cab parked in front of me.

funny part is that I have a clear plate cover and there was no mention of it. WTF?

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I got 3 tickets the other day, granted they were my fault, but reading this I find it funny....

-expired license sticker (totally my bad, forgot to get the new one)
-no front plate
-rush hour on street parking (despite my flashers being on for a short time in the loading zone).

luckily i walked out right as the tow truck was towing the cab parked in front of me.

funny part is that I have a clear plate cover and there was no mention of it. WTF?
HAHA! My ticket sites Chicago Municipal Code: 9-76-160d.
No mention of clear plastic cover only tinted or colored license plate cover.

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9-76-160 Registration plates.

(d) Every registration plate shall at all times be securely fastened in a horizontal position to the vehicle for which it is issued so as to prevent the plate from swinging and at a height of not less than 12 inches from the ground, measuring from the bottom of such plate, in a place and position to be clearly visible and shall be maintained free from foreign materials and in a condition to be clearly legible. No registration plate shall be covered by any tinted or colored screen. It is illegal to park a vehicle on any roadway if the registration plate or other registration material fails to comply with this subsection. Any person who violates this subsection shall be fined the amount set forth in Section 9-100-020 for each offense.

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I've gotten a ticket for a plate cover when they changed the law. It was back in 06
Its in the IL vehical code 625.
That year they had changed a bunch wording on the laws too. Like where they couldn't pull you over for tinted windows or seat belts. It used to read something like:
"A law enforcement officer may not stop or search any motor vehicle or the driver of any motor vehicle solely on the basis of a violation or suspected violation"


IL Vehicle Code site

Quote:
(625 ILCS 5/12‑610.5)
Sec. 12‑610.5. Registration plate covers.
(a) In this Section, "registration plate cover" means any tinted, colored, painted, marked, clear, or illuminated object that is designed to:
(1) cover any of the characters of a motor vehicle's

registration plate; or
(2) distort a recorded image of any of the characters

of a motor vehicle's registration plate recorded by an automated red light enforcement system as defined in Section 1‑105.5 of this Code or recorded by an automated traffic control system as defined in Section 15 of the Automated Traffic Control Systems in Highway Construction or Maintenance Zones Act.
(b) It shall be unlawful to operate any motor vehicle that is equipped with registration plate covers.
(c) A person may not sell or offer for sale a registration plate cover.
(d) A person may not advertise for the purpose of promoting the sale of registration plate covers.
(e) A violation of this Section or a similar provision of a local ordinance shall be an offense against laws and ordinances regulating the movement of traffic.
(Source: P.A. 94‑304, eff. 1‑1‑06.)
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If I'm reading the IL code right, any plate cover is illegal IF its designed to cover or distort the numbers.

Clear cover does neither of these and is available for sale in this state. If my cover was illegal it would be prohibited for sale in the state of Illinois according to section 2.c.

For those wondering, "why doesn't the sausage king let it go? he has enough money to cover this from the sausage biz." I should and I would pay the fine if I ran a red light or had expired plates, or only paid $3.99 for my 2 hours of metered parking, etc. I just don't believe I should pay for something that is interpreted by one individual as being illegal even though the Municipal code does not have language specific to this. A clear cover in no way hinders the appearance or makes it difficult to read my license plate.

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