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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 06-21-2011, 06:21 AM Thread Starter
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Hey, there! My name's KayneArgand, and I'm about to enter the world of motorcycle riding.

My dad had a very old Kawasaki Ninja (~1992) in the Philippines, and I absolutely loved the thing. From the moment I could understand how cool motorcycles were, I've wanted to own one. Unfortunately, circumstances have led to me not being able to get lessons at all. (Heck, I don't even have my regular license, yet.)

My dad has severe arthritis, so he can no longer teach me. I've had to go to Harper College multiple times just to try and get in as a walk-in, but to no avail. I was actually looking up Motorcycle Lessons near Des Plaines when I found this site.

I was hoping a licensed teacher would be able to teach me (for pay, of course), or if someone would be able to direct me to a [email protected]/RideChicago motorcycle course.

My goals for this summer:
Get my Class M License.
Get my first motorcycle (hopefully a Kawasaki Ninja 250-500)

My goals for the long run:
Save up for a Kawasaki Ninja 1000

My goals for this site:
Learn about the Chicagoland motorcycling community
Buy my first bike through here
Sell said bike after I'm done with it.

Well, I'm excited to be on this site, and I hope you all can help a newcomer get his license and his first bike.

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Go to College of Lake County or College of DuPage for their MSF classes. They run 6 classes a weekend and you are much more likely to get a spot as a walk in. http://www.niu.edu/mcycle/

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How many times have you tried a a walk-in? My first try (last year) I got it. Lucky I guess. There were 10 walk-ins. 6 got disqualified right away because they didn't have either gloves, over the ankle boots, long sleeves t-shirt, or other silly things they said you have to have. So that left me and three other guys and they drew our names and I got it! I really think that it was rigged because the two instructors were asians and you guessed it, I'm one too! Two accidents and too many close calls to count later and I'm still riding strong!

If you don't want to keep trying as walk-in, try ridechicago.com. It's $300 though.

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Welcome.

Try to hit the class when the rain is forecasted for the weekend. People who registered often don't show up and your odds are better for getting in. Also learning to ride in the rain has more benefits than on dry asphalt.

Be patient, be diligent. When in class, be respectful.

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How many times have you tried a a walk-in? My first try (last year) I got it. Lucky I guess. There were 10 walk-ins. 6 got disqualified right away because they didn't have either gloves, over the ankle boots, long sleeves t-shirt, or other silly things they said you have to have. So that left me and three other guys and they drew our names and I got it! I really think that it was rigged because the two instructors were asians and you guessed it, I'm one too! Two accidents and too many close calls to count later and I'm still riding!

If you don't want to keep trying as walk-in, try ridechicago.com. It's $300 though.
I've tried for three sessions. One over the 6/18-19-25-26, and twice for the 6-20-24 lessons. I'm going to try again next week, but if that falls through, I'll have to get a private instructor.

The problem with the city courses is that they charge you $300 for range lessons, and require that you have your driver's license as well as a motorcycle learning permit. I don't have either, so I'm pretty much boned in that regard. By the way, I'm Asian, too!

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Welcome.

Try to hit the class when the rain is forecasted for the weekend. People who registered often don't show up and your odds are better for getting in. Also learning to ride in the rain has more benefits than on dry asphalt.

Be patient, be diligent. When in class, be respectful.

Cougar, gkotlin and some others are MSF course instructors, I'm sure they will have more helpful tips.
That's pretty good advice, scout. I'll keep that in mind the next time I go for walk-ins.

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Are you sure you don't need a driver license for MSF? It's required to register for the MSF class and I'm pretty sure they will need it if you're lucky enough to get in as walk-in. Or maybe having a state ID is good enough? Not sure now.
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As I know it, you need at least a Class B learning permit to show that you know basic driving rules. It's what I read from the UIUC page, at least.
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As I know it, you need at least a Class B learning permit to show that you know basic driving rules. It's what I read from the UIUC page, at least.
You may be right, this is what I pulled from the site

You must bring the following items to all class sessions:

Bring the following items:
Valid drivers license or instruction permit
Sturdy, over-the-ankle footwear (not cloth or canvas)
Long pants (heavy material with straight legs)
Long-sleeved shirt or jacket
Full-fingered gloves
Eye protection (glasses, goggles or face shield).


I assume you have the instruction permit? Then you're good to go! Just don't forget to bring everything on this list.
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I have never before came across someone that did not have a DL, so I had to triple check and sure enough. As long as you have your permit you are good to go. That said, you might get an instructor who never had to deal with this case before as well. If they have questions tell them to check their Instructor manual or call program director. Also, tell them that on the student form they put permit # instead of DL #

Also try Fort Sheridan location. Ask instructors to call other locations and see if others have openings that evening.

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Welcome aboard!

You've got the right attitude right off the bat, and really that's the biggest key. Ask lots of questions and try to keep yourself in situations where you can focus on bettering your own riding skills before putting yourself out in traffic. It's best to try and latch on to a responsible, experienced rider to help lead you through the jungle that can be street riding. There are plenty of folks here that would be perfect for that.

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.......and require that you have your driver's license as well as a motorcycle learning permit. I don't have either, so I'm pretty much boned in that regard. By the way, I'm Asian, too!
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....As long as you have your permit you are good to go. That said, you might get an instructor who never had to deal with this case before as well. If they have questions tell them to check their Instructor manual or call program director. Also, tell them that on the student form they put permit # instead of DL #...............
How old are you? There is an age restriction that trumps the permit. You must be at least 16 years of age and have a parent or guardian available to sign the waivers if you are under 18 too.

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How old are you? There is an age restriction that trumps the permit. You must be at least 16 years of age and have a parent or guardian available to sign the waivers if you are under 18 too.

BTW - Welcome.
I'm 18, so I should be fine. Wow, the member output here is incredible. I think I'm going to like this place.
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Ignore my MSF course comment in the other thread.....seems you are already planning it.


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+1 on a walk in on a weekend with storms forecast. Take some rain-gear and
go for it .... lots of people drop out on rainy weekends and the class is just
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I'm 18, so I should be fine.
Do it.

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Wow, the member output here is incredible. I think I'm going to like this place.
Well, I wouldnt go so crazy just yet. Dont be so quick to judge.

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Hey, there! My name's KayneArgand, and I'm about to enter the world of motorcycle riding.
My dad had a very old Kawasaki Ninja (~1992) in the Philippines, and I absolutely loved the thing. From the moment I could understand how cool motorcycles were, I've wanted to own one. Unfortunately, circumstances have led to me not being able to get lessons at all. (Heck, I don't even have my regular license, yet.)
My dad has severe arthritis, so he can no longer teach me. I've had to go to Harper College multiple times just to try and get in as a walk-in, but to no avail. I was actually looking up Motorcycle Lessons near Des Plaines when I found this site.
I was hoping a licensed teacher would be able to teach me (for pay, of course), or if someone would be able to direct me to a [email protected]/RideChicago motorcycle course.
My goals for this summer:
Get my Class M License.
Get my first motorcycle (hopefully a Kawasaki Ninja 250-500)
My goals for the long run:
Save up for a Kawasaki Ninja 1000
My goals for this site:
Learn about the Chicagoland motorcycling community
Buy my first bike through here
Sell said bike after I'm done with it.
Well, I'm excited to be on this site, and I hope you all can help a newcomer get his license and his first bike.

Thanks!
ok ok....hmm....
now tell us something about you...

also what does the term "squid" mean to you...

i see here that you do not have a drivers license and your 18 please explain.

my concern is being a newbie to the road in general that starting on a bike you may not be prepared for the driving habits of typical s. being on a bike you need to be much more aware and be able to read what people are likely to do around you.

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ok ok....hmm....
now tell us something about you...

also what does the term "squid" mean to you...

i see here that you do not have a drivers license and your 18 please explain.

my concern is being a newbie to the road in general that starting on a bike you may not be prepared for the driving habits of typical s. being on a bike you need to be much more aware and be able to read what people are likely to do around you.

KayneArgand your application is under review and we will be monitoring your progress
Going down the list:

I have this strange (but useful) ability to befriend others. I don't know how it works. People are just attracted to me, and enjoy talking to me. I'm not just talking out my butt, people have told me this.

I do not know what a 'squid' is, other than the sea animal that does NOT go well on sushi. I believe I'll learn what it is eventually.

I don't have my license for a couple of reasons. 1: I was completely swamped in classes to even enroll in a driver's education class. When I finally did, it was only to get my certificate of completion as a graduation requisite. There's no one qualified to teach me how to drive a car that's available, so I'm sitting on a learner's permit. Just because I don't have my license doesn't mean I don't know the rules of the road, though. Even though my dad doesn't have time to teach me, he often points out the idiocies and retard tendencies of drivers. As a previous motorcycle rider himself, he basically told me "Stay where the drivers behind you can see you, know the blind spots of 18 wheelers, ALWAYS have a helmet that gives you peripheral vision on, and don't ever wear all black if you plan on driving primarily at night."

I have that fear of idiots on the street, as well. I know it'll take a couple of months in order to improve my skills enough to be on main streets (and even highways). I'll mostly be traveling around the suburbs around Des Plaines and Shaumburg until I get my wings, so to speak.

I really appreciate your worrying about me, however. It's always nice to know someone cares.
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How many times have you tried a a walk-in? My first try (last year) I got it. Lucky I guess. There were 10 walk-ins. 6 got disqualified right away because they didn't have either gloves, over the ankle boots, long sleeves t-shirt, or other silly things they said you have to have. So that left me and three other guys and they drew our names and I got it! I really think that it was rigged because the two instructors were asians and you guessed it, I'm one too! Two accidents and too many close calls to count later and I'm still riding strong!

If you don't want to keep trying as walk-in, try ridechicago.com. It's $300 though.
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Going down the list:

I have this strange (but useful) ability to befriend others. I don't know how it works. People are just attracted to me, and enjoy talking to me. I'm not just talking out my butt, people have told me this:

when is your birthday? are you a scorpio?.. are you beautiful?....

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