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Landis Had Synthetic Testosterone

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Floyd Landis of the US checks the clock as ...
PARIS - The result of Tour de France winner Floyd Landis' backup doping test will be announced Saturday. The analysis of Landis' "B" sample is expected to take place Thursday through Saturday at the Chatenay-Malabry anti-doping lab outside Paris, International Cycling Union spokesman Enrico Carpani said Tuesday.

Landis tested positive for an elevated ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone following the 17th stage of the Tour de France, where he staged a remarkable comeback in the Alps to make up for a poor performance the day before.

If the "B" sample is negative, Landis would be cleared. If it is positive, which Landis' lawyers say they expect, he could be stripped of his Tour victory and banned for two years.

The American cyclist has said that his body's natural metabolism _ not doping _ caused the result, and that he would undergo further tests to prove it.

The New York Times reported Monday that tests on Landis' "A" sample show some of the testosterone in his system was synthetic, putting his defense into question. The report cited a person at the UCI with knowledge of the result.

UCI president Pat McQuaid said Tuesday he had not seen the lab findings and could not confirm the report, but the cycling body had asked the French lab to speed up its analysis.

McQuaid said the uncertainty was not good for the sport.

"The longer it goes until the 'B' sample is tested, the more speculation, and the more denial and the more of everything that goes on," he told The Associated Press during a telephone interview.

Analysis of the B sample is a "2- 1/2 day operation," he said, and the lab closes this weekend for the August vacation period.

Landis' lawyers in Spain filed an official request for the "B" test late Monday. But Carpani said the UCI had already filed its own request earlier Monday because of concerns about the case dragging on.

"We will explain to the world why this is not a doping case but a natural occurrence," Landis said during a news conference in Madrid on Friday.

But after determining that Landis' ratio of testosterone to epitestosterone was more than twice the limit of 4:1, the lab performed a carbon isotope ratio test on the first of Landis' two urine samples to determine whether it's natural or synthetic, the Times reported.

The result showing synthetic testosterone does not need to be confirmed with a second test, said Dr. Gary Wadler, a member of the World Anti-Doping Agency and a spokesman for the American College of Sports Medicine.

"The rules say that it is a violation, but if you can show that the athlete had no fault or no significant fault, there could be a mitigation of the sanction," Wadler told the Times. "No matter how it got there, the athlete has to show how it got into his or her body. It could have been sabotage or contaminated dietary supplements, or something else, but they have to prove how the testosterone got there."

Oscar Pereiro of Spain, who finished second overall in the Tour de France, would be declared the winner if Landis loses the Tour de France title. It would be the first time in the history of the Tour that the winner has been disqualified for doping.




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I say he's busted... The french were all over Armstrong for years trying to prove he was doping. What was this guy thinking? I thought roids built muscle over time, would they really help him make that last leg.




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I say he's busted... The french were all over Armstrong for years trying to prove he was doping. What was this guy thinking? I thought roids built muscle over time, would they really help him make that last leg.

It is not roids as you know them. It is artificial testosterone that I guess can act like a shot of speed.

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its a real shame - could be the first guy ever to have his win taken away. Hes a real dork if he did use it.

I dont think Lance Armstrong ever cheated by the way

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It is not roids as you know them. It is artificial testosterone that I guess can act like a shot of speed.
Having an elevated level on testosterone does not feel like a shot of speed. Being on a testosterone suppliment I don't notice any thing different. I've been working out and I'm not gaining any major amounts of muscle mass. I say he is fine.
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I'm really not sure what to believe but I find it questionable that he would dope his blood knowing what a microscope they've been under.

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I'm really not sure what to believe but I find it questionable that he would dope his blood knowing what a microscope they've been under.
Each person's testosterone level is different. They just have a range that they go by that they would say is normal. He maybe one of the few that is on the higher end of the scale or maybe just above.
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I say he's busted... The french were all over Armstrong for years trying to prove he was doping. What was this guy thinking? I thought roids built muscle over time, would they really help him make that last leg.


He was trying to be like Barry Bonds, these guys will do anything to win. It is quite unfortunate. Also, continuing on this note, Justin Gatlin tested positive for a performance enhancing drup. This is suppose to be the World's fastest man.

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This pretty much proves that the old school days of natural sports are no more. It looks as if you are only as good as your chemist these days

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If he knows hes higher then maybe he shoudve established a baseline..and future tests would prove to be the same throughout?

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But his tests indicate 4X normal and the presence of synthetic.... not good.

My guess is he took something that he was told is undetectible..




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I'm not sure how much mine is elevated. Doc just says that it is above the normal range.
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I'm not sure how much mine is elevated. Doc just says that it is above the normal range.
You got your level up because of your cancer treatment I am going to guess. Your not a world class athlete and I think the way his body processes it would be different than yours.

I just hate international competitions because it comes out as better living through modern chemistry.

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You got your level up because of your cancer treatment I am going to guess. Your not a world class athlete and I think the way his body processes it would be different than yours.

I just hate international competitions because it comes out as better living through modern chemistry.
I think that its actually a good thing. some people are blessed with great genetics, and they enjoy an advantage because of it. Juice levels the playing field to an extent because it allows those with less than optimal genes to compete. The human body can only go so far, and biochemistry helps make up the difference.

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You got your level up because of your cancer treatment I am going to guess. Your not a world class athlete and I think the way his body processes it would be different than yours.

I just hate international competitions because it comes out as better living through modern chemistry.
My level is up because I take a gel to boost my testosterone cuz my body doesn't produce enough. I know that my body process is totally differnet than his.
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What was this guy thinking? I thought roids built muscle over time, would they really help him make that last leg.
No, they can do a lot more than that, depending which one or combo of them are used. Things like increasing strength without even increasing size (yes I know this sounds weird, but it can be true), shortened recovery time, increased muscular endurance, the list goes on and on. Steroids would have massive benefits for him, even if he only did it for a stage.

Anyway, 4x the normal testosterone level...this guy is screwed.
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Landis' Backup Drug Test Also Positive
By JEROME PUGMIRE, AP Sports Writer
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PARIS - The Tour de France no longer calls him champion. His cycling team cut him loose.

About the only chance Floyd Landis has of keeping his prized yellow jersey will now likely be decided by an appeals process that could drag on for months.

Landis was discredited and disowned in short order Saturday when elevated levels of testosterone showed up in his "B" or second doping sample _ as it did in the initial "A" sample released last week.

The samples also contained synthetic testosterone, indicating that it came from an outside source.

If stripped of the title, Landis would become the first winner in the 103-year history of cycling's premier race to lose his Tour crown over doping allegations.

Landis again denied cheating.

"I have never taken any banned substance, including testosterone," he said in a statement. "I was the strongest man at the Tour de France, and that is why I am the champion.

"I will fight these charges with the same determination and intensity that I bring to my training and racing. It is now my goal to clear my name and restore what I worked so hard to achieve."

The International Cycling Union, the sport's governing body, said it would ask USA Cycling to open disciplinary proceedings. Documentation from the positive tests will be forwarded to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, which will turn it over to a review panel. USADA will ultimately decide if a penalty _ likely a two-year ban _ is appropriate. Landis can accept the decision or begin an appeals process, which can take up to six months and involve the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

UCI lawyer Philippe Verbiest said Landis would officially remain Tour champion pending that process. The decision to strip him of his title rests with UCI.

"Until he is found guilty or admits guilt, he will keep the yellow jersey," he said. "This is normal. You are not sanctioned before you are found guilty."

But the Tour itself wasted no time in distancing itself from the American.

"It goes without saying that for us Floyd Landis is no longer the winner of the 2006 Tour de France," race director Christian Prudhomme told The Associated Press.

Prudhomme said runner-up Oscar Pereiro likely would be declared the new winner.

"We can't imagine a different outcome," he said.

Reached in his hometown of Vigo, Spain, Pereiro saw it shaping up that way, too.

"Now I consider myself the winner," he said, while acknowledging that the final decision was up to the UCI and subject to a legal challenge by Landis.

Pereiro said he regretted not being able to celebrate properly _ in Paris, wearing the winner's yellow jersey.

"I would have liked to have lived that day, it would have been the best day of my life, as a sportsman," he said.

Pereiro also felt badly for Landis.

"I consider him my friend, it surprised me and hurt me to hear what had happened to him," he said.

The results of the second test come just two weeks after Landis, a 30-year-old former mountain biker, proudly stood atop the winner's podium on the Champs-Elysees, waving to thousands who cheered him on.

Within 45 minutes of the "B" sample announcement, the Swiss-based team Phonak fired its captain for "violating the teams internal Code of Ethics."

Phonak stood by Tyler Hamilton throughout his blood-doping case two years ago; Landis, however, is getting no support.

"This will be his personal affair, and the Phonak team will no longer be involved," a statement said.

Testosterone, a male sex hormone, helps build muscle and improve stamina. The urine tests were done July 20 after Landis' Stage 17 victory during a grueling Alpine leg, when he regained nearly eight minutes against then-leader Pereiro _ and went on to win the three-week race.

Both of Landis' "A" and "B" samples turned up a testosterone/epitestosterone ratio of 11:1 _ far in excess of the 4:1 limit.

Jacques De Ceaurriz, the Chatenay-Malabray chief, said the synthetic testosterone was found in isotope testing.

"It's foolproof. This analysis tells the difference between endogenous and exogenous," he told the AP. "No error is possible in isotopic readings."

Landis spokesman Michael Henson disputed that, and the cyclist's attorney, Spanish lawyer Jose Maria Buxeda, said, "It doesn't end here."

Landis and his defense team have offered various explanations for the high testosterone reading _ including cortisone shots taken for pain in Landis' degenerating hip; drinking beer and whiskey the night before; thyroid medication; and his natural metabolism.

Another theory _ dehydration _ was rebuffed by anti-doping experts.

"It's incredibly disappointing," three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond said by phone from the starting line at the Pan Mass Challenge in Sturbridge, Mass. "I don't think he has much chance at all to try to prove his innocence.

"When I heard it was synthetic hormone, it is almost impossible to be caused by natural events. It's kind of a downer," said LeMond, the first American to win the Tour. "I feel for Floyd's family. I hope Floyd will come clean on it and help the sport. We need to figure out how to clean the sport up, and we need the help of Floyd."

In Murrieta, Calif., where Landis lives, an AP reporter was asked by police to leave the gated community when she attempted to approach his house. Several cars were parked in front, and the blinds were drawn.

A man who said he was a friend of the family, but didn't want his name used, answered the phone at the Landis' house and confirmed the cyclist was there.

Despite the latest test results, a sign at a nearby freeway exit said, "Welcome Home Floyd Landis, 2006 Tour de France Winner."

In Lancaster County, Pa., where Landis was raised in a conservative Mennonite home, neighbors vowed their support.

"All he has accomplished, he has attained through his hard work and discipline. We are very confident he will prove his innocence," said Tammy Martin, a longtime family friend.

Paul and Arlene Landis, who have supported their son since the doping scandal began, were out of town on a previously scheduled vacation.

A sign posted on their front yard said, "God Bless, Went Camping."




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