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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 11-12-2006, 11:43 PM Thread Starter
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Goodbye Eli!!!

Haha, I'm sure by now everybody knows the Bears outcome, but I just wanted to let it be known that Eli Manning is a complete tool, and I'm glad we treated him like one tonight. I love Peyton Manning, but Eli is a little whining bitch who listens to his whining bitch of a father about everything to do, trying to call the shots before he even gets in the league. F#$% him!!! Haha, can't wait to see the recap, I missed about 10 minutes of the game.
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Eli went 14/32 for 121 yards and 2 INTs. Probably a sub 50 passer rating. He also fumbled the ball three times but only lost it once. Definately a stinker!
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I am not an Eli fan either. I don't know if he'll ever be as good as his brother, but he does have potential.
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This isn't fair guys. Eli Manning is a good football player, he has had some amazing games and he has had some crappy ones. The bears are the best defense in football, lets not sell that unit short. Also, to say Eli is bad simply because he isn't as good as his brother, the best quarterback currently in football, and destined to be in that elite group with the likes of montana and marino. Thats simply not fair. Eli can still be a great pro bowl caliber quarterback and still be only 85% as good as payton, because payton is just THAT good.

secondly, Payton wasn't always a star, this is his 9th year in the league, vs. Eli's second. Give eli a chance.

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I dont' know what game you guys were watching but Grossman stunk up the first half worse that Manning played the entire game.

I gave my Dad an orange Urlacher jersey as a birthday present which he opened and promptly wore at half-time. I guess it was the jersey; I should have had him open it before the game!

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I dont' know what game you guys were watching but Grossman stunk up the first half worse that Manning played the entire game.

I gave my Dad an orange Urlacher jersey as a birthday present which he opened and promptly wore at half-time. I guess it was the jersey; I should have had him open it before the game!
you realize he is now required to wear that for the rest of the year, he can't wash it, or anything, 5 minutes before kickoff until the game is completed...

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you realize he is now required to wear that for the rest of the year, he can't wash it, or anything, 5 minutes before kickoff until the game is completed...
More like till 10 min after the game, you have to have a buffer zone just in case Rex fucks up somehow after the game is over and causes the Bears to loose.

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This isn't fair guys. Eli Manning is a good football player, he has had some amazing games and he has had some crappy ones. The bears are the best defense in football, lets not sell that unit short. Also, to say Eli is bad simply because he isn't as good as his brother, the best quarterback currently in football, and destined to be in that elite group with the likes of montana and marino. Thats simply not fair. Eli can still be a great pro bowl caliber quarterback and still be only 85% as good as payton, because payton is just THAT good.

secondly, Payton wasn't always a star, this is his 9th year in the league, vs. Eli's second. Give eli a chance.
+1

Well said. I personally think people don't give Eli a fair chance, and are quick to judge him.

Just like everyone is so quick to hate Grossman. People go from, Grossman sucks, to Grossman is so awesome, I love him!! It's kind of annoying when you see people so down on Grossman, but what they don't realize is Grossman is really still a rookie...Technically, yes, this is his 4th year with the Bears, but he's never played more then 3 games due to injuries. He still has a ton of learning to do, but IMO he could possibly be the next Peyton Manning in the next few years.

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but IMO he could possibly be the next Peyton Manning in the next few years.
well i wouldn't go that far. While this is only his first year as a regular starter he has seen the game and been exposed to the NFL for four years. While he will get better with his reciever selection and his nerves (IMO alot of the balls thrown high and stuff are for this reason) he will never have the touch of somebody like payton. If any of the young quarterback have the potential to do that, Eli / Phillip Rivers / and although not as likely Carson Palmer.

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IMO he could possibly be the next Peyton Manning in the next few years.
and I could possibly start shitting out 24k gold nuggets in the next few years, but I'm kind of skeptical about that happening
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This isn't fair guys. Eli Manning is a good football player, he has had some amazing games and he has had some crappy ones. The bears are the best defense in football, lets not sell that unit short. Also, to say Eli is bad simply because he isn't as good as his brother, the best quarterback currently in football, and destined to be in that elite group with the likes of montana and marino. Thats simply not fair. Eli can still be a great pro bowl caliber quarterback and still be only 85% as good as payton, because payton is just THAT good.

secondly, Payton wasn't always a star, this is his 9th year in the league, vs. Eli's second. Give eli a chance.
Right, he is good...but i can not stand him at all. I don't care how good he is, anybody that tries calling the shots before he even plays in the NFL can kiss my ass at least. John Elway was the same way. Fuck em. I personally love watching his brother on the field. He's a true player, not some ass who thinks he's the shit and he can call the shots (thanks partially to his dad). I can't give Eli a chance b/c of how he introduced himself to the game. "If I get drafted by a certain team I'll sit out for a year and come back with a winner." FUCK YOU!
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Right, he is good...but i can not stand him at all. I don't care how good he is, anybody that tries calling the shots before he even plays in the NFL can kiss my ass at least. John Elway was the same way. Fuck em. I personally love watching his brother on the field. He's a true player, not some ass who thinks he's the shit and he can call the shots (thanks partially to his dad). I can't give Eli a chance b/c of how he introduced himself to the game. "If I get drafted by a certain team I'll sit out for a year and come back with a winner." FUCK YOU!
I forgot about that. Wasen't he drafted by the Chargers, and he said he wouldn't play for them cause they sucked. That was pretty low

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Why is that really so bad? Would you be ok with going to work for a company that sucks and you have no choice in the matter?
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I forgot about that. Wasen't he drafted by the Chargers, and he said he wouldn't play for them cause they sucked. That was pretty low
the chargers didn't even want him, they wanted phillip rivers, but taking eli and trading him to the giants for rivers got them a chunk of money and another pick... It worked out really well for them both.

and great players all the time complain when they get picked up early in the draft, because at least initially they go to the worst teams because that who is drafted first. Look who the colts were before Payton...

and as for Elway, yes he did refuse to play for the team that drafted him, but he went on to play for the broncos for his entire career, and went down in history as one of the greats...

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Why is that really so bad? Would you be ok with going to work for a company that sucks and you have no choice in the matter?
Ok here's how I look at it...There are 30 NFL teams. Each team has what, 50 players? So there's only 1500 approximate professional football players out of 200 million people in the entire country. So he should feel lucky enough to play, not be an ass and call his own shots. And if the company that sucked had to pay me that much my first year, and then pay me MORE, yes, I think I'd be great with it.
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High pay scales don't necessarily justify the lack of choice. I see where you are coming from though. That type of move never looks good, but I still understand why it happens.

Let's say for example the team in question is notorious for having a weak O-line with a history of quarterbacks & running backs getting injured and having shortened careers. What then?
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Haha you shut the fuck up, put your time in, and then leave in a year
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I would rather have Phillip Rivers than Eli Manning. Manning has not shown the mental development expected of him. Peyton is practically his own offensive coordinator while Eli can barely read a defense. IMO, Eli and Rex have the same potential in that they can both be very good quarterbacks but neither will ever be a hall of famer.

I think Rivers has shown the mental ability to understand what the offense is trying to do and what the defense is trying to do to stop him. He helps his coaches immensely by being able to communicate what he is seeing on the field and planning adjustments. Rivers also has a terrific arm and great pocket presence. Of course Rivers does benefit greatly from having LT on the field that defenses have to account for.......
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