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Ufc 69 {SPOILER}

Anyone see the last PPV?? I can't believe that Matt Sera took out Georges St. Pierre out that quickly.


Anyone catch Season 5 of Ultimate Fighter? I missed it. What did you think?

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Anyone see the last PPV?? I can't believe that Matt Sera took out Georges St. Pierre out that quickly.


Anyone catch Season 5 of Ultimate Fighter? I missed it. What did you think?
I just watch reply action and wouldn't pay for one of their fights. So haven't watched this one yet.

But I will comment on the UFC in general.

IMO, UFC went down hill years ago as far as the fighting goes. Way to many rules now. Take the gloves back off and let guys do what they want again. This toe to toe fighting is what they are getting paid for now. The rolling around on the ground fighting was boring for people to watch so now they make them stand up and go toe to toe which is good for the striker style fighters. I rather see a true no gloves anything goes fight like they did years ago. Get rid of the weight classes and let the baddest man be on top. That's what made this type of fighting fun to watch. Some big dude fighting a little guy with no gloves on and seeing some of the big guys fall to the smaller guys. Now that was fun to watch.

If I want to see toe to toe fighting I rather watch a good professional boxing match.

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I just watch reply action and wouldn't pay for one of their fights. So haven't watched this one yet.

But I will comment on the UFC in general.

IMO, UFC went down hill years ago as far as the fighting goes. Way to many rules now. Take the gloves back off and let guys do what they want again. This toe to toe fighting is what they are getting paid for now. The rolling around on the ground fighting was boring for people to watch so now they make them stand up and go toe to toe which is good for the striker style fighters. I rather see a true no gloves anything goes fight like they did years ago. Get rid of the weight classes and let the baddest man be on top. That's what made this type of fighting fun to watch. Some big dude fighting a little guy with no gloves on and seeing some of the big guys fall to the smaller guys. Now that was fun to watch.

If I want to see toe to toe fighting I rather watch a good professional boxing match.
I miss those days of the UFC. IMO, the world combat leauge is on the right track with the constant action.
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Wow. Im speachless.

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Wow. Im speachless.

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George REALLY underestimated Matt. I cant believe he snuck that punch in. All it takes is one mistake and BAMMM you're asking for a rematch!
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You guys have an interesting take on things. I was into it a long time ago and remember watching UFC 1, the first few actually. Then got back into it this past year and have been watching a lot of the replays on Spike.

I like what the sport has become. I like rounds over the fight till someone taps or is KO'd. Striking has always been there and I think it was Randy who came in on the early UFCs and surprised everyone by being able to win striking rather than using Jiu-Jitsu and submissions. I've always like how the sport is like a test-bed for what works in real life. It's close anyway.

I admit, I'm somewhat new to the new format. What rules are you referring too? Just what are the rules in UFC.

No eye gouging of course
Can't kick to the head when someone is down
Can't strike the back of the head?

I haven't seen the other orgs, but I'd like to.
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George REALLY underestimated Matt. I cant believe he snuck that punch in. All it takes is one mistake and BAMMM you're asking for a rematch!
That's one of the most amazing things of this sport. It's weird how these guys can train for months and lose in the first round. To me it's 1000 times more exciting than boxing.

Edit. Weird probably isn't the best word. It's just the surprise of it all. Shocking. There are a lot of upsets and fights can be over in an instant.

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BTW, I thought it was awesome to see Matt Hughes beat Gracie.
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You guys have an interesting take on things. I was into it a long time ago and remember watching UFC 1, the first few actually. Then got back into it this past year and have been watching a lot of the replays on Spike.

I like what the sport has become. I like rounds over the fight till someone taps or is KO'd. Striking has always been there and I think it was Randy who came in on the early UFCs and surprised everyone by being able to win striking rather than using Jiu-Jitsu and submissions. I've always like how the sport is like a test-bed for what works in real life. It's close anyway.

I admit, I'm somewhat new to the new format. What rules are you referring too? Just what are the rules in UFC.

No eye gouging of course
Can't kick to the head when someone is down
Can't strike the back of the head?

I haven't seen the other orgs, but I'd like to.
+1, I have been watching for years and years. Have you caught the replays of the first UFC's? BORING......Reason for the gloves is to more protect the hand than the opponents face. Tank Abbott started this trend and then the UFC adopted it.
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Serra vs GSP vid

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+1, I have been watching for years and years. Have you caught the replays of the first UFC's? BORING......Reason for the gloves is to more protect the hand than the opponents face. Tank Abbott started this trend and then the UFC adopted it.

UFC has turned into = Kick boxing.

The concept years ago was the baddest fighter wins. No matter what weight. Using your hands bare fist was all part of it. If you are afraid to hurt your hands - don't fight, remember this was a tough guy competition. It was more martial arts fighting back then. Guys using submissions more to win. Now it's a knockout contest.

This toe to toe fighting is now just a kick boxing match that you can hit someone till they are going down and still jump on them for more of a beating until the ref stops the match.

I'll agree that some of the older fights were boring to watch. But it was more of how someone would be fighting in the real world. Most real fights end up on the ground and that's where the real martial arts would come in.

There were some very good older fights though. The one that comes to mind is in 1994 Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu fighter Royce Gracie at 180 pds submits champion wrestler Dan Severn at 275 pds.




One other thing, back then it was a bracket fight, you fight until you lose, multiple fights in the same night. Another thing I miss.

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George REALLY underestimated Matt. I cant believe he snuck that punch in. All it takes is one mistake and BAMMM you're asking for a rematch!
I underestimated him as well, never would I have thought that after so much time off from the UFC (minus the short appearance on Ultimate Fighter 4) that Matt would be a belt contender nor the current belt holder.

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I just watch reply action and wouldn't pay for one of their fights. So haven't watched this one yet.

But I will comment on the UFC in general.

IMO, UFC went down hill years ago as far as the fighting goes. Way to many rules now. Take the gloves back off and let guys do what they want again. This toe to toe fighting is what they are getting paid for now. The rolling around on the ground fighting was boring for people to watch so now they make them stand up and go toe to toe which is good for the striker style fighters. I rather see a true no gloves anything goes fight like they did years ago. Get rid of the weight classes and let the baddest man be on top. That's what made this type of fighting fun to watch. Some big dude fighting a little guy with no gloves on and seeing some of the big guys fall to the smaller guys. Now that was fun to watch.

If I want to see toe to toe fighting I rather watch a good professional boxing match.
I will agree with some aspects of this comment but lets keep in mind that boxing underwent similar rule changes & created weight classes many decades ago. I think that some of the rules make the sport more enjoyable (i.e. no nut shots, no eye jabs, no pulling/holding hair).

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The rolling around on the ground fighting was boring for people to watch so now they make them stand up and go toe to toe which is good for the striker style fighters. .
Not sure how long you've been into this shit but almost every fight ends up on the ground still. It's not even close to kick boxing.
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so who's next for Serra?

Hughes?

which would be a good setup for the rubber match between Hughes and George
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One other thing, back then it was a bracket fight, you fight until you lose, multiple fights in the same night. Another thing I miss.
PrideFC GPs are still like that but I guess this past weekend was the last Pride fights since it was bought out by UFC.
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so who's next for Serra?

Hughes?

which would be a good setup for the rubber match between Hughes and George
I think that's what Hughes wants. He'll probably get that fight too.
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so who's next for Serra?

Hughes?

which would be a good setup for the rubber match between Hughes and George

Hughes vs. Serra next time around.

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After watching certain fights, it's not too far off when people refer to it as "glorified kickboxing", but first off-- what's wrong with kickboxing? But actually in western kickboxing you still can't clinch for more than a few seconds so there's no takedown to defend wether the other guy can get it or not. Most of the fights are all over the place though range-wise...

We can thank John McCain for a lot of the rule changes back in the 90's when the UFC and ultimate fighting almost went bye bye. I hated it but it turns out it was necessary given the ostacles they faced back then like getting banned from ppv and shunned by almost every boxing commission in the 50 states. This is also a testament to what Zuffa has done with the orginization, and it definitely helps that a few of them were former members of the Nevada Atletic Commission. They had the connections many others didn't to let the UFC survive.

I agree that the early UFC's were much more interesting but that was because the main differnce between then and now is then it was one style vs another back then. Now "ultimate fighting" or mma is a "style" in itself and I think the evolution was unavoidable. How long would a kung fu guy go on getting choked out before learning how to hold his own on the ground. Even by the the time Royce fought Ken again fighters were picking up on jiu jitsu and using it in the ring pretty well. The best way after all to defend against a technique or style is to train and learn that technique or style.

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You guys have an interesting take on things. I was into it a long time ago and remember watching UFC 1, the first few actually. Then got back into it this past year and have been watching a lot of the replays on Spike.

I like what the sport has become. I like rounds over the fight till someone taps or is KO'd. Striking has always been there and I think it was Randy who came in on the early UFCs and surprised everyone by being able to win striking rather than using Jiu-Jitsu and submissions. I've always like how the sport is like a test-bed for what works in real life. It's close anyway.

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No eye gouging of course
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I haven't seen the other orgs, but I'd like to.
Actually it was Marco Ruas back in UFC 7 (I think) that was the first guy to win with striking and being the first total package re: ground and stand up skills.

My biggest gripe with the rules are the quick standups. This comes down to who the ref is sometimes, but basically if a guy is outclassed on the ground and can stall for half a minute he earns a standup. Besides my personal preference as a spectator, this isn't good in the evolution of the sport because it's going to discourage future generations of fighters from developing submission skills to higher levels. Why spend energy setting up a submission when the ref is going to stand you up halfway through it anyway? The ground guys need time to work just like a knockout artist needs time to pick up on an opponent's rhythms, reactions and timing before he can set up a nice k.o.

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WoW, that is the first I saw of it. I am surprised Big John didn't stop it a bit sooner. Serra was pounding the piss out of St.Pierre on the ground
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Completely dumbfounded when Serra won, and it was an ass kicking

The Sanchez/Josh fight was a joke...they respected the other's ability to the point that neither one would fight!!

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Wow, no kidding!! Very surprised McCarthy gave Pierre that much time to try and do something. He was getting beat down, was clearly dazed, and getting popped like a virgin cherry.
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