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U.S. Supreme Court To Hear Oral Arguments In McDonald v. City of Chicago Next Week

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As we reported last month, on Monday, January 25, the U.S. Supreme Court granted NRA's motion to allow it to participate in the upcoming oral argument in the landmark McDonald v. City of Chicago case.

Former U.S. Solicitor General Paul Clement will be representing NRA at oral argument, which will occur next Tuesday, March 2. The NRA chose Solicitor General Clement for oral argument in this case because he is one of the leading Supreme Court advocates of our time and has argued dozens of cases before the Court. In the case at hand, he has already represented 251 members of the U.S. House of Representatives and 58 U.S. Senators in filing an historic and very important friend of the court brief, which makes a strong and effective case in favor of incorporation. Now that he is representing the NRA, he will just as strongly represent the interests of NRA members and all other Americans who believe the Second Amendment should apply equally throughout our nation. (A link to the congressional brief can be found here: http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/lit..._congress..pdf)

During oral argument, Solicitor General Clement will ensure that the Court hears all the arguments for applying the Second Amendment to the states under the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court could reach that result either through the Privileges or Immunities Clause (as the plaintiffs in the case have emphasized), or through the Due Process Clause (as the Supreme Court has chosen to apply nearly all of the other provisions of the Bill of Rights). The NRA's only goal in this case is to ensure that the Supreme Court applies the Second Amendment to all Americans throughout the country, no matter which method the Court chooses to use.

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that statement could be applied in both directions.

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that statement could be applied in both directions.
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you really need it spelled out like your 3 years old? been spending too much time listening to SP can do that to you, i suppose.

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Mac has a valid point.

We are all hoping that the entire country can be made free because the 2nd says so...
While at the same time that could be flipped over and used against us

One must be more jaded to be a realist
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Mac has a valid point.

We are all hoping that the entire country can be made free because the 2nd says so...
While at the same time that could be flipped over and used against us

One must be more jaded to be a realist
Supreme court already ruled on it. this is trying to get Chicago to follow suit, which really shouldnt take a lawsuit to do.




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Supreme court already ruled on it. this is trying to get Chicago to follow suit, which really shouldnt take a lawsuit to do.
I know..... and I support it.

I am just saying that I can see his point of view... Watch them get everyone in line - make an airtight case that the federal statute trumps any and all local statutes.. then flip the statute and repeal the amendment.
Stroke of the pen - everything everyone worked for flipped on it's head and f*cked over.... and they got their "enemy" to do all the heavy lifting for them.

Does this make me paranoid or observant?

I am not saying that will happen, I am just saying it'd be ironic... Now wouldn't it?
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instead of being a federal, then it will be a city law, when thats over ruled King Daley will make it a precinct law, and when thats over ruled he will make it a block by block law and before long every Chicago citizen will have a law written specifically for them.

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Does this make me paranoid or observant?
No it just makes you a Chicagoan. Expect to get bent over at all times by the government.




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Mac has a valid point.

We are all hoping that the entire country can be made free because the 2nd says so...
While at the same time that could be flipped over and used against us

One must be more jaded to be a realist
Thank you. That's all I was point out was that the use of ambiguous language would really leave them kicking themselves in the ass if the court said, you know, you're right. It should be the same everywhere. But we feel Chicago has it right. Now everyone is fucked.

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Thank you. That's all I was point out was that the use of ambiguous language would really leave them kicking themselves in the ass if the court said, you know, you're right. It should be the same everywhere. But we feel Chicago has it right. Now everyone is fucked.
Here in chicago that kind of thing would happen easily and we wouldnt even bat an eye. because it's not a right we currently have, we are forced to stand outside city hall in tattered clothes and beg for our rights with hat in hand.

but 48 other states would take serious issue with a ruling that did that on the national level. as they are better than us and are allowed to have and exercise their rights, as they do not live under the umbrella of the chicago machine, and have not become demoralized by and desensitized to gov't abuse such as we experience here in IL.

here in IL, we are like a dog thats been beat all its life, we just take it and except it as our masters love. but one of these days we will wake up and bite back.




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Supreme court already ruled on it. this is trying to get Chicago to follow suit, which really shouldnt take a lawsuit to do.
They didn't actually. At least not entirely. In Heller, the DC case, they simply ruled that there was an individual right to bear arms, contrary to the ass-fuck retarded "collective right" BS.
However, it only applied to Federal territory until it get incorporated via the 14th Amendment against the states.

The Bill of Rights was originally only applicable against the feds. Once the 14th Amendment came around, it was supposed to be applicable against the states, but the SCOTUS decided that it was going to take its sweet ass time getting there.

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If crime was very very low in Chicago, I would agree with him.... is it?
We had a few less homicides than New York so we aren't #1!

I mean.. they have like 3 or 4x as many people as us.. and guns are allowed there....

but if you ignore 75% of the facts and cherry pick only the one that supports your agenda.. WIN~!
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We had a few less homicides than New York so we aren't #1!

I mean.. they have like 3 or 4x as many people as us.. and guns are allowed there....

but if you ignore 75% of the facts and cherry pick only the one that supports your agenda.. WIN~!
Concealed is different everywhere. believe me NY is not as "free" as you make it sound.

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The simple desire to possess a handgun while in New York City, without some other extenuating circumstances, will not serve to present a "need" suitable to receive authorization. In cases where "need" is sufficiently demonstrated, permission will be given, usually for a specific period of time, after which the process would start over again.

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Tony... We are comparing NY to Chicago.

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I think it's funny how the NRA is taking a center seat this time around. They didn't have shit to do with the D.C. ruling and they don't want to be sitting on the side lines this time around. I hope they don't trip over their own dicks trying to be the guys who got Chicago's gun ban overturned.

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They didn't actually. At least not entirely. In Heller, the DC case, they simply ruled that there was an individual right to bear arms, contrary to the ass-fuck retarded "collective right" BS.
However, it only applied to Federal territory until it get incorporated via the 14th Amendment against the states.

The Bill of Rights was originally only applicable against the feds. Once the 14th Amendment came around, it was supposed to be applicable against the states, but the SCOTUS decided that it was going to take its sweet ass time getting there.
I think you should be in the courthouse as the CLSB onsite reporter. Get your ass up here and keep us posted.




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Tony... We are comparing NY to Chicago.

Not Alaska
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Most cops I know support our right to bear arms.
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Here in chicago that kind of thing would happen easily and we wouldnt even bat an eye. because it's not a right we currently have, we are forced to stand outside city hall in tattered clothes and beg for our rights with hat in hand.

but 48 other states would take serious issue with a ruling that did that on the national level. as they are better than us and are allowed to have and exercise their rights, as they do not live under the umbrella of the chicago machine, and have not become demoralized by and desensitized to gov't abuse such as we experience here in IL.

here in IL, we are like a dog thats been beat all its life, we just take it and except it as our masters love. but one of these days we will wake up and bite back.



Yea, I dont know whats going on with the negative nancys here. Its getting a bit ridiculous. They think they are going to get raped so they are having their vag's get wet in anticipation of irritation.

How about looking at things as win's and push forward onto the next issue.

not saying.... no... i dont want that win, it can cause me more work down the line.
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Yea, I dont know whats going on with the negative nancys here. Its getting a bit ridiculous. They think they are going to get raped so they are having their vag's get wet in anticipation of irritation.

How about looking at things as win's and push forward onto the next issue.

not saying.... no... i dont want that win, it can cause me more work down the line.
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