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interesting gun law site.

Kind of interesting seeing both sides represented with no one yelling at each other.
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i been reading so far, yep very interesting.

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Never thought of the anti-cc argument of more suicides. Then again, if someone wants to end their life, that is their choice. Just dont hurt anyone in the process.
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Never thought of the anti-cc argument of more suicides. Then again, if someone wants to end their life, that is their choice. Just dont hurt anyone in the process.
ya, i dont think carrying a gun would make you want to kill yourself more.

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the one point i could see in there, is that when the person getting attacked brings a gun into the mix, it does make things go to "lethal" when it might have been just a good ass kicking. but where does it say you should get your ass kicked and just take it?

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ya, i dont think carrying a gun would make you want to kill yourself more.
No, but it makes it an easier choice. Many (men especially) will put a bullet to the brainpan before they cut themselves and bleed slowly. (Studies show) women are more often the cutters.

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the one point i could see in there, is that when the person getting attacked brings a gun into the mix, it does make things go to "lethal" when it might have been just a good ass kicking. but where does it say you should get your ass kicked and just take it?
The law says this unfortunately. In many states, you can only meet force with equal force. And there are times when "Hightower" type gung-ho ass-hats feel that every situation is a great time to pull out your weapon.

Typically, "Officer, I was in fear of my life" - "I won't answer further questions until I have my attorney present" is the course of action if you have to pull the trigger.

Now that I think about it...say someone is mugging you...they ask for wallet, watch, and whatever you have in your pockets. But the assailant doesn't have a gun or knife, just threatening you with a beating...I'd start to be afraid of having my weapon stolen and used by this mugger...at that point, I'd feel obliged to draw...which would probably get me in trouble.

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the one point i could see in there, is that when the person getting attacked brings a gun into the mix, it does make things go to "lethal" when it might have been just a good ass kicking. but where does it say you should get your ass kicked and just take it?
Most state laws don't say that.

For example:

Indiana law says this:
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Originally Posted by IC 35-41-3-2
Sec. 2. (a) A person is justified in using reasonable force against
another person to protect the person or a third person from what the
person reasonably believes to be the imminent use of unlawful force.
However, a person:
(1) is justified in using deadly force; and
(2) does not have a duty to retreat;
if the person reasonably believes that that force is necessary to
prevent serious bodily injury to the person or a third person or the
commission of a forcible felony
.
No person in this state shall be
placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the
person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.
Note "reasonable," that's the standard. There is no "equal force" requirement, per se. If you think you're going to be the recipient of serious bodily injury, of the victim of a forcible felony, then the law says you're good to take out the garbage.
If you're a big burly guy (you're not, but just work with me here ) and the attacker is a one legged man or little ol' grandma, it's not reasonable to shoot him.
The law isn't rocket science. It is, more often than not, just common sense dressed up with $10 words and run-on sentences.

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No, but it makes it an easier choice. Many (men especially) will put a bullet to the brainpan before they cut themselves and bleed slowly. (Studies show) women are more often the cutters.
at the same time, just like criminals who carry regardless of the law, people who wanna pop themselves are just gonna do it anyways.

they are not gonna carry into walmart and put themselves out because they can legally carry.

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Most state laws don't say that.

For example:

Indiana law says this:

Note "reasonable," that's the standard. There is no "equal force" requirement, per se. If you think you're going to be the recipient of serious bodily injury, of the victim of a forcible felony, then the law says you're good to take out the garbage.
If you're a big burly guy (you're not, but just work with me here ) and the attacker is a one legged man or little ol' grandma, it's not reasonable to shoot him.
The law isn't rocket science. It is, more often than not, just common sense dressed up with $10 words and run-on sentences.
as Tony said before;

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