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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-30-2003, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
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Australian gun control!

From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down
Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were
forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be
destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers
more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2
percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide,
armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of
Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note
that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did
not ! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in
armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the
past 12
months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is
unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and
assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has
decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in
"successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on
the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the state
Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest
citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only
the law-abiding citizens. Take note Americans, before it's to late!

FORWARD TO EVERYONE ON YOUR EMAIL LIST!! DON'T BE A MEMBER OF THE SILENT
MAJORITY AND BE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE
U.S.A.




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That doesnt surprise me whatsoever.

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No surprise to me either. I lived in NC when they passed the concealed carry law, the crime rate dropped immediately and has continued to decrease for the last 8 years.
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Same thing happened in Canada They have to report ANY firearm possession to the police. The key word there is ANY I remember my Dad, taking all his shotguns and rifles down to his local PD, running into all his hunting buddies and asking the Chief of Police, where are all the criminals registering their firearms were?

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For this reason I actually believe we should allow more law abiding people to carry guns more often. Obviously the more strict laws to get this permit would be needed but I still strongly believe this.
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i dont know about you but i dont think i could back a country that wont let its people defend themselfs.

firearms control is one thing. firearms removeal is another.

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Optimus you hit the nail on the head! I thought about this and to be honest lets say the Good Ol' US of A had NO guns other than police and army. No if an invading force were to surgically remove a few key military installations and become insurgents with no civilians to be a militia they could feasibly take over and dig into a city for a stronghold. Now with the way it is if they were to try that can you imagine the militia we would have? The rednecks would think it was hunting season again and the northeners would be all to willing to have a reason to get with their buddies and go take out a few and the gang bangers would now have a whole new initiation process!

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I think we should forward this to all the news agaencies and ask them point blank why they are not reporting it. I'm echoing optimous's comments, he is spot on.




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Hmm.....

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But I'll bet their crime rate goes down....



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So you just made that up huh?

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Was not one of the intentions of the founding fathers when they wrote the 2nd amendment to assure the citizens protections not only against criminals, but also the government if stepped out of line??

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Was not one of the intentions of the founding fathers when they wrote the 2nd amendment to assure the citizens protections not only against criminals, but also the government if stepped out of line??
Exactly...it was not arbitrarily placed second...it was placed directly following the "Freedom of Speech" amendment to protect it. Funny how the "active first amendment supporters" - i.e.-flag burners, violent protestors, etc.-seem to forget about that...
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I agree completely. I do think that a lot of this BS arises from sheer ignorance of guns and their benefits. A lot of people are simply afraid of guns, having never fired one themselves and constantly hearing about all the bad things that happen with guns on TV. Because of that, most people won't lift a finger to try to stop these liberal p$$$ies from passing more laws. Of course, it never seems to make the ten o'clock news that someone saved their own life by taking the life of some scumbag who broke into their house. The anti-gun spin on a lot of media outlets is total BS. Ahhh, i'm pissed now. Thanks a lot you a$$holes Back to work.....

On the upside (oozing sarcasm), I live in a "forward thinking" state that i'm sure would love to ban guns. Thank god Arnold will be in charge soon Maybe he'll bring a minigun to work. That will keep the libs in line asta la vista Gray Davis....
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Just an FYI.... The gun ban in Aus happened back in 93 or 94. It was more or less because of the fruit that went nuts in Port Hobart, Tasmania. Killed about 34 people. ALL semi auto rifles/shotguns are banned (ironic because he used a revolver, pump rifle and lever action). If you live in the bush or need one to protect livestock you can still have a bolt, pump lever single shot rifle. Only police are "supposed" to have handguns.

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