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Can anyone ID an original 1918 Colt 1911?

I'm looking at picking up a supposedly original 1918 Colt model 1911. I know modern 1911s pretty well but don't have any idea how to tell what on this piece has been replaced. Anyone have a good knowledge of vintage 1911s and what to look for?

Any help would be appreciated.

He hasn't sent me pics yet but he said the serial # is 5XXXXX.

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does it cost lost of money? if its cheap, its prolly not real

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Brian, here's a picture of a reproduction 1918. They made a few of these about $950 - $1500 at auctions.
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And gere's an original 1918 ser#225018 (Feb 5, 1918).
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does it cost lost of money? if its cheap, its prolly not real
damn, just looked them up, guess they are not that much money. i wonder if the ones i was looking at where just more rare or something.

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According to the Colt database it was made in 1919 (continuation from 1918).

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According to the Colt database it was made in 1919 (continuation from 1918).
Yeah, somewhere in there:

http://www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm

Where did you see a definite 1919 production year?

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Been super busy, cant stay long to chay hope to be on more often some time next week.

This is as real as it gets.

Pic 1&2 show the correct patent dates and correct placement of the rampant colt with no circle on it. Very nice deep strike on the roll mark. Date range on the patent dates are mark is 1914 - 1945.... serial # range 84,000 to the end of the run. The rampant colt non circled and centered as pictured serial # range 285,000 - end of production. Prior to this it was located on the rear of the slide by the hammer.


Pic #3 is an awesome pic as it shows the "eagles head" inspection mark. Located between the slide stop and mag release Under the eagles head is the letter S followed by a number tha will vary. This is the Springfiled inspection mark and started at serial # range 300,000 and ended with the last WWI produced gun in 1919. Prior to this the actula initials of the inspector appeared in it's location

Pics 5 & 6 show the proper location for the property marking for a gun in this serial number range. At serial # 500,000 the property mark was moved from the left side of the frame on the dust cover to the the right side above the serial number as pictured.

Looks like the blueing is almost gone on this gun but it's still in great shape.

I'm calling it in teh $1200.00 ish range

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Awesome, thanks Ponch!


Do you know if this is considered one of the "Black Army" 1911s?

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Do you know if this is considered one of the "Black Army" 1911s?
It's funny you ask that cause the answer is YES and that's why there is almost nothing left of the blueing.

Around serial # 312,000 (1918) colt changed the blueing/finishing process on at the request of teh US goverment to increase production. They skipped the final polishing of the guns and also changed the bluing process to gas fired As a side effect, the "bluing" actualy looked black and teh term "Black Army" came about. This finish did not hold up very well and eventualy, as you see here, it all wears off. Some of the small parts will retain a lot of there bluing because they were outsourced in an effort to help increase production as well. Collectors look for "black army" guns with as much of the finish remaining as possible.

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It's funny you ask that cause the answer is YES and that's why there is almost nothing left of the blueing.

Around serial # 312,000 (1918) colt changed the blueing/finishing process on at the request of teh US goverment to increase production. They skipped the final polishing of the guns and also changed the bluing process to gas fired As a side effect, the "bluing" actualy looked black and teh term "Black Army" came about. This finish did not hold up very well and eventualy, as you see here, it all wears off. Some of the small parts will retain a lot of there bluing because they were outsourced in an effort to help increase production as well. Collectors look for "black army" guns with as much of the finish remaining as possible.
Just asking to make sure but refinishing this guy would be a mistake, correct?

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Just asking to make sure but refinishing this guy would be a mistake, correct?
Correct, that gun should be left in the condition it is in.

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One of the site is proofhouse.com. It'll show you that according to the serial number, this was a continuation from the 1918 but was made in 1919. Just don't do anything else to pretty up the gun. I hope you get/got a good deal on this. A friend beat me to one back in early 90's, he paid $250 for it just 'cause all the blueing is gone. Good luck. Sell the 10mm back so you'll have cash for this one.
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That is sweet, imagine the stories this gun could tell. Some would be put off with the nicks, boogered screws and lack of finish, to me it is priceless patina.

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